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Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity?

From	Volney <volney@volney.invalid>
Newsgroups	sci.physics.relativity
Subject	Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity?
Date	2018-06-20 12:12 -0400
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On 6/20/2018 11:10 AM, kenseto wrote:
> On Monday, June 18, 2018 at 10:47:00 PM UTC-4, Volney wrote:
>> On 6/18/2018 5:58 PM, kenseto wrote:
>>> On Monday, June 18, 2018 at 2:03:37 PM UTC-4, Volney wrote:
>>>> On 6/18/2018 12:11 PM, kenseto wrote:
>>>>> On Sunday, June 17, 2018 at 4:46:03 PM UTC-4, Volney wrote:
>>>>>> On 6/17/2018 4:33 PM, kenseto wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sunday, June 17, 2018 at 12:16:34 PM UTC-4, Python wrote:
>>>>>>>> Idiot kenseto wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, June 17, 2018 at 9:44:35 AM UTC-4, Python wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> kenseto wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>>>>> No, any lateral movement of the moon will be overcome by the constant
>>>>>>>>>>> pull of gravity over time and causes the moon crashing into the earth.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Wrong. This can be easily proven from Newton's Laws. This is elementary
>>>>>>>>>> high school stuff, Mr Seto. Far ahead of you, unfortunately.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Newton’s law got nothing to do with it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Your ignorance is not an argument Mr Seto. If you knew anything about
>>>>>>>> calculus you could check for yourself that from F=ma and F=gMm/r^2 you
>>>>>>>> end up with a stable orbit, with only an attractive force implied.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No moron, math can’t cause the moon orbiting the earth.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Well then prove it. You'll have to show Newton's proof to be wrong in
>>>>>> the process.
>>>>>
>>>>> Prove what?
>>>>
>>>> Prove your assertion that a single attractive force cannot form stable
>>>> orbits. Once again, Newton proved it can do so, so you'll also have to
>>>> find the flaw in Newton’s proof.
>>>
>>> Sigh....How many time do I have to tell you? Newton’s gravity force is not a single attractive force.
>>
>> No, you keep asserting, without proof or evidence, that gravity is not a
>> single force. Meanwhile, Newton PROVED that a single force forms stable
>> orbits. So far you have not dealt with disproving Newton.
> 
> Newton’s equation describes the behavior of the force of gravity.

Correct.

> It does not give the cause of gravity.

Correct. It was not intended to do so. All it does is acknowledge that 
gravity really does exist and it has a certain behavior. The cause is 
the subject of a completely different theory.

> If Newton’s gravity is a single attractive force then there is no mechanism to explain why the moon has a stable orbit around the earth.

You keep asserting that, and it is still wrong. Newton PROVED that is wrong.

> Deny all you want, gravity is a composite force as follows:

No, that is only your assertion, and Newton proved that your assertion 
is wrong, hundreds of years ago. I believe Newton over you, so yes, I 
will deny your assertion, at least until you come up with a proof that 
shows Newton was wrong.

>> So why do you keep asserting that there are two forces involved? Newton
>> PROVED mathematically that a single force is all that is needed. This is
>> a mathematical proof, not an assertion.
> 
> I did n’t assert anything.

Yes you did.

> If gravity is a single attractive force then the moon is not able to maintain a stable orbit around the earth.

There you go again! Asserting that two forces are involved!

If you claim that is not an assertion, let's see your mathematical PROOF 
that Newton was wrong.

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