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Re: Hmm, not the Air Force & not the Navy..

From Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net>
Newsgroups rec.arts.sf.written
Subject Re: Hmm, not the Air Force & not the Navy..
Date 2018-06-19 22:12 -0700
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On 6/19/2018 8:37 PM, Lawrence Watt-Evans wrote:
> On Tue, 19 Jun 2018 20:58:13 GMT, Ninapenda Jibini
> <taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote in
>> news:38c95d8d-8aca-4f6a-a7f2-709f85e1c0fa@googlegroups.com:
>>
>>> On Tuesday, June 19, 2018 at 10:11:24 AM UTC-6, Ted Nolan
>>> <tednolan> wrote:
>>>> A lot of SF (milsf especially, of course) assumes a Space Navy
>>>> with heavy wet Navy traditions.
>>>
>>> Which would make sense if space travel was similar to ocean
>>> travel.
>>
>> There are similarities, though more in speculative fiction than
>> reality so far.
>>
>> Air Force people live in bases, while Navy people live in ships.
>> Space stations are far more like ships than bases.
>>
>> But mostly, navies have far richer traditions to draw upon, and
>> writers are notoriously lazy.
> 
> We're SELECTIVELY lazy.  We'll put in absolutely insane levels of
> effort in certain areas.  Inventing an entire new military culture
> isn't one of those areas for most of us.
> 
Building a military service's traditions is not something that works 
well by ordering it from the top.  And even if someone tried that, the 
traditions would just change with the history of the service.  (I'm 
reminded of the British Admiral off Crete saying something about a fleet 
in being is only useful if one _uses_ it.)


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Hmm, not the Air Force & not the Navy.. ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2018-06-19 16:11 +0000
  Re: Hmm, not the Air Force & not the Navy.. Panthera Tigris Altaica <northerntiger@outlook.com> - 2018-06-19 09:31 -0700
  Re: Hmm, not the Air Force & not the Navy.. Peter Trei <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2018-06-19 10:19 -0700
    Re: Hmm, not the Air Force & not the Navy.. ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2018-06-19 17:26 +0000
    Re: Hmm, not the Air Force & not the Navy.. djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-06-19 17:23 +0000
      Re: Hmm, not the Air Force & not the Navy.. Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2018-06-19 11:17 -0700
        Re: Hmm, not the Air Force & not the Navy.. djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-06-19 19:22 +0000
          Re: Hmm, not the Air Force & not the Navy.. Jack Bohn <jack.bohn64@gmail.com> - 2018-06-20 06:02 -0700
            Re: Hmm, not the Air Force & not the Navy.. David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2018-06-21 09:56 -0500
              Re: Hmm, not the Air Force & not the Navy.. D B Davis <g@crcomp.net> - 2018-06-21 16:36 +0000
    Re: Hmm, not the Air Force & not the Navy.. Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2018-06-20 00:32 -0700
      Re: Hmm, not the Air Force & not the Navy.. djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-06-20 16:03 +0000
        Re: Hmm, not the Air Force & not the Navy.. Peter Trei <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2018-06-21 09:57 -0700
  Re: Hmm, not the Air Force & not the Navy.. Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2018-06-19 10:37 -0700
  Re: Hmm, not the Air Force & not the Navy.. djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-06-19 17:21 +0000
    Re: Hmm, not the Air Force & not the Navy.. scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2018-06-19 17:57 +0000
      Re: Hmm, not the Air Force & not the Navy.. djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-06-19 19:25 +0000
        Re: Hmm, not the Air Force & not the Navy.. Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2018-06-19 15:04 -0700
    Re: Hmm, not the Air Force & not the Navy.. D B Davis <g@crcomp.net> - 2018-06-19 19:54 +0000
      Re: Hmm, not the Air Force & not the Navy.. Panthera Tigris Altaica <northerntiger@outlook.com> - 2018-06-19 13:05 -0700
        Re: Hmm, not the Air Force & not the Navy.. Lawrence Watt-Evans <misenchantedpress@gmail.com> - 2018-06-19 16:37 -0400
          Re: Hmm, not the Air Force & not the Navy.. Anthony Frost <Vulch@vulch.org> - 2018-06-20 07:49 +0100
          Re: Hmm, not the Air Force & not the Navy.. David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2018-06-21 09:59 -0500
        Re: Hmm, not the Air Force & not the Navy.. djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-06-19 23:57 +0000
      Re: Hmm, not the Air Force & not the Navy.. Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2018-06-19 15:06 -0700
      Re: Hmm, not the Air Force & not the Navy.. djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-06-19 23:55 +0000
    Re: Hmm, not the Air Force & not the Navy.. Ninapenda Jibini <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-06-19 20:55 +0000
      Re: Hmm, not the Air Force & not the Navy.. Juho Julkunen <giaotanj@hotmail.com> - 2018-06-20 13:19 +0300
        Re: Hmm, not the Air Force & not the Navy.. Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-06-20 08:46 -0700
          Re: Hmm, not the Air Force & not the Navy.. Juho Julkunen <giaotanj@hotmail.com> - 2018-06-21 21:13 +0300
            Re: Hmm, not the Air Force & not the Navy.. Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2018-06-21 13:13 -0700
            Re: Hmm, not the Air Force & not the Navy.. Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-06-22 10:41 -0700
  Re: Hmm, not the Air Force & not the Navy.. Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2018-06-19 12:41 -0700
    Re: Hmm, not the Air Force & not the Navy.. Ninapenda Jibini <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-06-19 20:58 +0000
      Re: Hmm, not the Air Force & not the Navy.. Lawrence Watt-Evans <misenchantedpress@gmail.com> - 2018-06-19 23:37 -0400
        Re: Hmm, not the Air Force & not the Navy.. Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2018-06-19 22:12 -0700
          Re: Hmm, not the Air Force & not the Navy.. mcdowell_ag@sky.com - 2018-06-22 11:14 -0700
            Re: Hmm, not the Air Force & not the Navy.. Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2018-06-22 12:21 -0700
              Re: Hmm, not the Air Force & not the Navy.. Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2018-06-23 08:35 -0700
        Re: Hmm, not the Air Force & not the Navy.. Ninapenda Jibini <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-06-20 06:02 +0000
  Re: Hmm, not the Air Force & not the Navy.. David Johnston <davidjohnston29yahoocom@gmail.com> - 2018-06-19 12:57 -0700
    Re: Hmm, not the Air Force & not the Navy.. Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2018-06-19 14:49 -0700
      Re: Hmm, not the Air Force & not the Navy.. djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-06-20 00:00 +0000
        Re: Hmm, not the Air Force & not the Navy.. Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2018-06-19 19:10 -0700
          Re: Hmm, not the Air Force & not the Navy.. Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2018-06-19 23:13 -0700
            Re: Hmm, not the Air Force & not the Navy.. Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2018-06-20 14:33 -0700
              Re: Hmm, not the Air Force & not the Navy.. Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2018-06-20 15:44 -0700
  Re: Hmm, not the Air Force & not the Navy.. Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2018-06-20 00:29 -0700
    Re: Hmm, not the Air Force & not the Navy.. Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2018-06-20 14:54 -0500
    Re: Hmm, not the Air Force & not the Navy.. David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2018-06-21 10:05 -0500

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