Re: Towards routine, reusable space launch.

From	Sergio <invalid@invalid.com>
Newsgroups	sci.space.policy, sci.physics, rec.arts.sf.science
Subject	Re: Towards routine, reusable space launch.
Date	2018-06-19 15:58 -0500
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On 6/19/2018 2:45 AM, Fred J. McCall wrote:
> Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> wrote on Mon, 18 Jun 2018 22:17:21 -0500:
> 
>> On 6/18/2018 8:06 PM, Alain Fournier wrote:
>>> On Jun/18/2018 at 2:45 PM, Sergio wrote :
>>>> On 6/16/2018 8:54 AM, Alain Fournier wrote:
>>>>> On Jun/15/2018 at 11:34 PM, Fred J. McCall wrote :
>>>>>> JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote on Fri, 15 Jun 2018
>>>>>> 22:13:01 -0400:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 2018-06-15 19:21, Alain Fournier wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yes. But I think I am a little less optimistic than you about it
>>>>>>>> becoming practical in the future. If we have fantastic materials
>>>>>>>> in the
>>>>>>>> future, maybe an elevator will become more practical,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Apart from lifting geostationary satellites to just below orbit and
>>>>>>> then
>>>>>>> let them use their own thrusters to position to their assigned
>>>>>>> slot/longitude, what other use would a space elevator have ?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You go above the GEO point on the cable and get flung on
>>>>>> interplanetary trajectories.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes!
>>>>>
>>>>> You would also likely put at least one cable above GEO rotating in a
>>>>> plane perpendicular to the main cable. So you can give an extra push for
>>>>> interplanetary trajectories and to fine tune in which direction you
>>>>> depart for said trajectories.
>>>>>
>>>>> You can also jump off at an altitude of about 15000 km (that figure is
>>>>> from the top of my head, it might be more or might be less). From there
>>>>> after a few passes of aero-braking you can reach LEO with very small
>>>>> thrusters.
>>>>>
>>>>> For polar orbits, you use the rotating cable above GEO mentioned above.
>>>>> But instead of using it for extra push you get off while it is
>>>>> subtracting some speed but not quite in the direction of rotation of the
>>>>> cable. So you subtract some speed in the direction of rotation of the
>>>>> cable and give some speed in the north-south axis. You then use
>>>>> aero-braking again to lower apogee, and a small thruster to raise
>>>>> perigee. Note however that using the elevator to reach polar orbits in
>>>>> this way isn't obvious. You would want a long and fast rotating cable
>>>>> and you would want it far above GEO, it might not be practical to do so.
>>>>>
>>>>> Building an elevator, with current technologies, is outrageously
>>>>> expensive. But if you have one, it can be very useful.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> we don't have one, and never will.  It is a joke among Engineers.
>>>>
>>>> What would is the monthly insurance payment for it?  if it fell over ?
>>>
>>> You put the cable on an east coast. You also put a system to cut the
>>> cable at something like 10000 km high. If the cable breaks below that
>>> 10000 km the upper part doesn't fall it goes up, the bottom part falls
>>> in the ocean, where it isn't likely to cause damage. If the cable breaks
>>> higher than 10000 km, you cut it at 10000 km, the bottom 10000 km falls
>>> once again in the ocean. The two other parts won't fall to the ground,
>>> the lower part will probably be in an elliptical orbit, the higher part
>>> might be in an escape trajectory. So the damage from a cable breaking
>>> doesn't have to be high. It might be a little difficult to explain that
>>> to an insurance company, but if you can pay for the cable, you should be
>>> able to cover the damages.
>>>
>>
>> how much does 10,000 of cable weigh?  100,000 #
>> the center of gravity is directly over the support, so you have 100,000#
>> of steel cable crashing onto it.
>>
> 
> Nope.  The Earth spins, you know.  And STEEL?  That's cute.

earth spin is red herring, do the math.
what else are you going to use besides steel ?
NOTHING can support its own weight of 10,000 km of it.

go ahead, NAME what you propose to use.

> 
>>
>> nothing will go into orbit as the accelleration vector is stright down,
>> gravity.
>>
> 
> Well, no.  When whole, the cable is under tension, not compression.
> Remove weight from the bottom or break the tether point and it goes UP
> above the break, not down.

no,  gravity wins over whatever transitory events.

> 
>>
>>>
>>>> how many miles would the top swing back and forth ?
>>>
>>> Why do you care?
>>>
>>
>> I asking to see if  you know what you are talking about. 20,000 km is
>> 12,427 miles, if you support the tower it will swing at least 2 degrees
>> sin 2 degrees = 0.035  times 12427 = *434 miles*
>>
>> does the tip swinging wider than most states bother you ??
>>
> 
> You're not smart enough to be asking questions.  It's not a 'tower'.

what do you propose ?

> 
>>>
>>>> How much sideways force is pushed on it by a 20 mph wind ?
>>>
>>> Why do you care?
>>
>> ...to evaporate your imagination with facts.
>>
> 
> That would be refreshing.  When are you going to start?

what are you proposing ?

> 
>>
>>>
>>>> how much does one guy wire weigh ? (assume 20,000 km elevator height)
>>>
>>> Why would you put a guy wire? Don't assume 20,000 km elevator height,
>>> assume 70,000 km, you want the top of the cable to pull up the bottom of
>>> the cable, so you have to go beyond GEO height.
>>
>> so what is the weight of 70,000 km of cable to support 500# ?
>>
> 
> That rather depends on what it's made of. 

you wont name anything, because it is all too heavy.

got anything ?

> 
>>
>> [there is no cable that will support itself 70,000 km, darling)
>>
> 
> There is no cable that will support its own weight like that YET.  You
> really need to STFU until you educate yourself.

and there never will be.  do the math. check the materials, imaginarium
won't work either.

> 
>>
>>>
>>>> how much does one copper cable weigh if moving 200 amps ?
>>>
>>> Don't put a copper cable. Send energy to the climber using some kind of
>>> beamed energy. (A laser on the ground, maybe another one in
>>> geosynchronous orbit, and photocells on the climber to convert back to
>>> electricity. Or something of that kind.)
>>
>> Use McGinn's patented plasma's and water vapor it up.   What happens
>> when you use a 1000 watt laser to shoot power to it ? the beam heats up
>> the air and defocuses the beam and the power splinters out, the power
>> does not get there.
>>
>> there is no know laser that can meet the dispersion requirements either
>> (google dispersion  laser)
>>
> 
> Hogwash.

afraid to google for it ?   why doen't the army shoot down missles with
lasers ?  -- dispersion and defocusing --



> 
>>>
>>>> What voltage is needed at the ground to feed the copper wires ?  assume
>>>> 500 V AC needed at the top.
>>>>
>>>> How much does the tower weigh counting only the copper wires, main
>>>> cable, and guy wires ?
>>>
>>> The copper wires and guy wires are nonexistent and therefore weigh
>>> nothing. As for the main cable, it weighs way too much. That is why I
>>> said in the message to which you are replying that "Building an
>>> elevator, with current technologies, is outrageously expensive." I don't
>>> think we will ever have one.
>>
>> it is joke bate by Engineers,
>>
> 
> You wouldn't know an engineer if you tripped over one.

and you have no real facts for your "space elevator".


> 
>

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                Re: Towards routine, reusable space launch. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2018-06-18 19:57 -0700
                Re: Towards routine, reusable space launch. willner@cfa.harvard.edu (Steve Willner) - 2018-06-25 21:17 +0000
                Re: Towards routine, reusable space launch. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2018-06-25 15:52 -0700
            Re: Towards routine, reusable space launch. Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2018-06-11 07:49 -0400
              Re: Towards routine, reusable space launch. Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2018-06-11 16:36 +0000
                Re: Towards routine, reusable space launch. Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-06-11 14:02 -0500
                Re: Towards routine, reusable space launch. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-06-11 17:23 -0400
                Re: Towards routine, reusable space launch. Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-06-11 21:20 -0500
                Re: Towards routine, reusable space launch. Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2018-06-11 19:38 -0600
              Re: Towards routine, reusable space launch. Doc O'Leary  <droleary@2017usenet1.subsume.com> - 2018-06-11 22:50 +0000
                Re: Towards routine, reusable space launch. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2018-06-11 21:03 -0700
                Re: Towards routine, reusable space launch. Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2018-06-12 06:44 -0400
                Re: Towards routine, reusable space launch. Doc O'Leary  <droleary@2017usenet1.subsume.com> - 2018-06-12 15:20 +0000
                Re: Towards routine, reusable space launch. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2018-06-12 14:47 -0700
                Re: Towards routine, reusable space launch. Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2018-06-12 19:43 +0000
                Re: Towards routine, reusable space launch. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2018-06-12 14:52 -0700
        Re: Towards routine, reusable space launch. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2018-06-12 16:05 -0700
          Re: Towards routine, reusable space launch. Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2018-06-13 06:41 -0400
            Re: Towards routine, reusable space launch. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2018-06-13 14:36 -0700
    Re: Towards routine, reusable space launch. Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2018-06-09 09:34 -0600
      Re: Towards routine, reusable space launch. Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2018-06-09 15:56 -0400
  Re: Towards routine, reusable space launch. "Robert Clark" <rgregoryclark@gmSPAMBLOCKail.com> - 2018-06-08 18:06 -0400

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