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Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity?

From	Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Newsgroups	sci.physics.relativity
Subject	Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity?
Date	2018-06-09 13:47 +0000
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kenseto <setoken@att.net> wrote:
> On Friday, June 8, 2018 at 6:31:37 PM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>> kenseto <setoken@att.net> wrote:
>>> On Friday, June 8, 2018 at 12:50:50 PM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>> kenseto <setoken@att.net> wrote:
>>>>> On Friday, June 8, 2018 at 9:46:49 AM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>>>> kenseto <setoken@att.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Thursday, June 7, 2018 at 4:38:58 PM UTC-4, Edward Prochak wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Thursday, June 7, 2018 at 9:53:01 AM UTC-4, kenseto wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, June 6, 2018 at 7:59:57 PM UTC-4, Edward Prochak wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, June 6, 2018 at 5:33:14 PM UTC-4, kenseto wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, June 6, 2018 at 10:30:21 AM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> kenseto <setoken@att.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Lets look at how they launch a satellite:
>>>>>>>>>>> 1. They apply a vertical rocket force to left the satellite to a desired height.
>>>>>>>>>>> 2. When the satellite reached the desired height they turn the rocket
>>>>>>>>>>> to a tangential direction and apply a force to cause the satellite to
>>>>>>>>>>> follow an accelerated tangential orbital motion. 
>>>>>>>>>>> 3. See there are two forces involved in launching a satellite!!!
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Okay, Ken.
>>>>>>>>>> Once the satellite is in orbit, what happens with the rocket?
>>>>>>>>>> They shut it off!
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> NO tangential acceleration needed once orbit is achieved.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> After the rocket is shut off:
>>>>>>>>> 1. The satellite will have a tangential velocity and there is nothing
>>>>>>>>> to stop the satellite to maintain this tangential velocity.
>>>>>>>>> 2. The attractive force of gravity will try to prevent the satellite to
>>>>>>>>> go off in a tangential direction.
>>>>>>>>> 3. The result is an orbiting motion.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> In my theory:
>>>>>>>>> 1. The satellite will have a tangential velocity and there
>>>>>>>>> is nothing to stop the satellite to maintain this tangential velocity.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Finally you start to use the correct term: tangential velocity.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Moron tangential velocity is derived from tangential force.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> No Ken. Newton’s first law. Objects in motion remain in motion without the
>>>>>> application of a force. You saying Newton’s first law is wrong?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Moron, Newton’s first law apply when there is no force is applied to the moon. 
>>>> 
>>>> No Ken. That’s the point of the radial and tangential components. You can
>>>> treat them independently. 
>>> 
>>> The radial component is derived from the attractive EM force and the
>>> tangential component is derived from the repulsive effect (force).
>>>> 
>>>> So in the tangential direction, the speed is constant, so no tangential
>>>> acceleration, so no tangential force. 
>>> 
>>> When the moon is following a curved path there is constant tangential acceleration.
>> 
>> There is a formula for the centripetal acceleration. What’s the formula for
>> the tangential acceleration? If If you were to calculate the tangential
>> acceleration of the moon, how would you do it?
> 
> 
> There is a formula for centrifugal acceleration and that is tangential acceleration.

Alright what is that formula, and what is the tangential acceleration of
the moon?

>  
>>> 
>>>>> Gravity is continually pulling the moon toward the center of the earth.
>>>>> The tangential force will continually direct the moon from moving to the
>>>>> center of the earth. The result is orbiting motion.
>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 2. The satellite and the earth are expanding in the same
>>>>>>>>> direction as the universe expands. This create an attractive
>>>>>>>>> EM force between them. This attractive force will try to
>>>>>>>>> pull the satellite toward the earth and the satellite’s
>>>>>>>>> tangential velocity will try to prevent this from happening.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Still no "tangential force". So maybe you can learn!
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> You are a moron, in my theory there is a repulsive tangential force
>>>>>>> acting on the moon because the earth and the moon are confined to follow
>>>>>>> the divergent structure of the E-Matrix.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Ok, so you ARE saying Newton is wrong, since he proved that a single
>>>>>> centripetal force is sufficient for stable circular orbits and you are
>>>>>> saying that’s not possible. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> I am saying that Newton have no idea what is the cause of gravity between
>>>>> the earth and the moon. 
>>>> 
>>>> But that’s different than the single force proof. You don’t need to specify
>>>> a cause for a force in order to show that a single force can produce the
>>>> observed motion. Newton’s 2nd law doesn’t specify causes for ANY force but
>>>> it does tell you what motion you will get for any combination of forces. 
>>> 
>>> But you just admitted that there are radial and tangential components.
>>> All I know is: radial acceleration without the constant tangential
>>> acceleration will not give stable orbit.
>> 
>> And how do you know this? 
>> Newton says otherwise and proved it. So where is your proof he is wrong?
> 
> Newton didn’t say that and he didn’t proved it.
> 

Yes he did. I gave you the link. You won’t read it and you deny reality. 

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