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Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions

From Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid>
Newsgroups alt.privacy.anon-server, comp.os.linux.advocacy, alt.comp.os.windows-10
Subject Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions
Date 2018-06-03 19:00 +0000
Organization NOYB
Message-ID <pf1ktd.3co.1@ID-201911.user.individual.net> (permalink)
References (7 earlier) <fngcqiF8a4tU1@mid.individual.net> <020620181631151818%nospam@nospam.invalid> <fngdcvF8g7pU1@mid.individual.net> <pf15eo.80s.1@ID-201911.user.individual.net> <fnipq8Fm0isU3@mid.individual.net>

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Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
> On 6/3/18 7:59 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> > Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
> >> On 6/2/18 1:31 PM, nospam wrote:
> >>> In article <fngcqiF8a4tU1@mid.individual.net>, Snit
> >>> <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>>>>> I'll stick to the one 90% of the population uses.  More programs
> >>>>>>>> available
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> yep
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> (no I won't say "apps", those are for phones),
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> app is short for application, a term that dates back at least to the
> >>>>>>> 80s, probably even earlier
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Right. It is the term Apple has used since AT LEAST the start of the Mac.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>      Who cares!? We're talking about the *real* world! (Just kidding!)
> >>>>>
> >>>>>      FWIW, I only first encountered the term for mobile devices, yes
> >>>>> Apples'. OTOH, 'applet' was known (to me) well before that time.
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> You only encountered it with mobile devices so you think that means the
> >>>> term was not used... and more than that want to restrict how others use
> >>>> the term!
> >>>>
> >>>> Why?
> >>>
> >>> <https://blog.oxforddictionaries.com/2011/10/14/the-rise-of-the-app/>
> >>>     But, unlike smartphones and tablets, app isn¹t new. According to the
> >>>     OED?s historical entry for the word, app as a shortening of
> >>>     application (as in application program) first found its way into
> >>>     print in the 1980s. Back then it was mainly a colloquial term used in
> >>>     computing circles: the OED?s early quotations for it come from such
> >>>     computing trade publications as Info World and Dr. Dobb¹s Journal. It
> >>>     often appeared not by itself but as part of the phrase killer app,
> >>>     meaning a software application which makes a new computing platform
> >>>     desirable or necessary. Later, it became part of webapp, meaning an
> >>>     application made available as a website, but as a word used on its
> >>>     own it remained relatively uncommon.
> >>
> >> Good to see you found where "application" has been in use for quite some
> >> time in this context. Heck, if you go to 1984 with the Macintosh it was
> >> the primary term used. Since then it has been often shortened to just
> >> "app", much as "Macintosh" itself has been shortened to "Mac".
> > 
> >    Huh? The discussion was not about the term 'application', but about
> > the term 'app'. IME, the term 'application' has been in use at least as
> 
> "App" as an abbreviation for "application" goes back to at least 1981.
> 
> <https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/app>
> -----
> First Known Use of APP
> 1981
> -----

  It would have been nice if this part gave a actual reference. Not that
I doubt it, but without a reference, it's just a date.

> The word itself, with any meaning, has been around a LOT longer, tjough 
> in recent years spiking in 1991 and 2003:
> <https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/app>
> 
> (See the "Trends of 'app'" section. "

  But *because* the word "has been around a LOT longer", we have no
indication whether or not that spike is (only) for the computer-related
meaning of the word or (also) for the *non* computer-related meanings
(appendix, applied, appointed, apprentice, approved, etc. (appetizer
(Merriam-Webster)).

  Anyway, considering what this (non-)discussion is about, it's funny to
see that both your references *do* confirm *our* (Jimmy Wilkinson Knife's
and my) POV! :-) :

[Emphasis mine:]

<MW>
*especially* : an application designed for a mobile device (such as a
smartphone) 
</MW>

<CD>
An app is a computer program that is designed for use on a mobile
digital device. 
...
App in British
...
*esp* downloaded to a mobile device
</CD>

  (AFAIC,) EOD.

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Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions Anonymous <anonymous@anonymous.com> - 2018-05-31 13:26 -0500
  Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions tom <tom@0.0.0.0> - 2018-05-31 17:24 -0700
    Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions Anonymous <anonymous@anonymous.com> - 2018-06-01 07:12 -0500
  Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> - 2018-06-01 05:53 +0200
    Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions Doomsdrzej <.m@nsn.s> - 2018-06-01 08:41 -0400
      Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-06-01 08:23 -0500
        Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions ooze <.m@nsn.s> - 2018-06-01 10:12 -0400
          Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-01 08:05 -0700
          Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2018-06-01 08:16 -0700
            Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-01 08:27 -0700
              Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions ANTant@zimage.com (Ant) - 2018-06-01 16:59 -0500
                Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-01 15:06 -0700
                Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions ANTant@zimage.com (Ant) - 2018-06-01 19:02 -0500
                Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-06-08 07:21 -0500
            Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions oOze <.m@nsn.s> - 2018-06-01 11:36 -0400
              Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-01 09:01 -0700
            Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> - 2018-06-01 13:14 -0500
              Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions oOze <.m@nsn.s> - 2018-06-01 17:15 -0400
            Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions "Jimmy Wilkinson Knife" <nowhere@somewear.co.uk> - 2018-06-01 23:44 +0100
              Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-06-01 18:57 -0400
                Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-01 16:03 -0700
                Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-06-01 19:24 -0400
                Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-01 16:27 -0700
                Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-06-08 07:21 -0500
                Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-06-02 20:20 +0000
                Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-02 13:25 -0700
                Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-06-02 16:31 -0400
                Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-02 13:35 -0700
                Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-06-02 16:43 -0400
                Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-06-03 14:59 +0000
                Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-06-03 11:03 -0400
                Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-06-03 15:12 +0000
                Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-03 11:19 -0700
                Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-06-03 14:23 -0400
                Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-06-03 19:00 +0000
                Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-03 12:17 -0700
                Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-06-02 20:50 +0000
                Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-06-02 17:02 -0400
                Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-06-03 14:59 +0000
                Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-06-03 11:03 -0400
                Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-06-08 07:20 -0500
                Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions SilverSlimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2018-06-08 11:11 -0400
                Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-06-08 10:38 -0500
                Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions SilverSlimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2018-06-08 13:03 -0400
                Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions Rene Lamontagne <rlamont@shaw.ca> - 2018-06-08 12:20 -0500
                Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-08 12:14 -0700
                Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions Knarf Gewtools <that@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-06-08 20:12 +0000
                Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions SilverSlimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2018-06-08 17:54 -0400
              Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-01 16:00 -0700
          Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions Anonymous <anonymous@anonymous.com> - 2018-06-01 11:36 -0500
            Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions Your Friendly Neighbourhood Puppy Whistle Holder Emeritus 🐶笛 <root@127.0.0.1> - 2018-06-01 11:40 -0500
            Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions oOze <.m@nsn.s> - 2018-06-01 17:03 -0400
              Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2018-06-01 22:23 +0000
          Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2018-06-01 18:02 +0000
            Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-06-01 14:14 -0400
              Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2018-06-02 00:19 +0200
                Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2018-06-01 22:21 +0000
                Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2018-06-02 00:25 +0200
                Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions oOze <.m@nsn.s> - 2018-06-02 09:15 -0400
                Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2018-06-01 22:36 +0000
                Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-01 15:39 -0700
                Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2018-06-01 22:44 +0000
                Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-06-01 18:57 -0400
                Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-01 16:01 -0700
                Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions oOze <.m@nsn.s> - 2018-06-01 22:03 -0400
                Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-06-01 22:12 -0400
            Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-01 11:32 -0700
              Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2018-06-01 22:18 +0000
                Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-01 15:26 -0700
            Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions oOze <.m@nsn.s> - 2018-06-01 17:14 -0400
              Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-01 14:21 -0700
              Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions "Jimmy Wilkinson Knife" <nowhere@somewear.co.uk> - 2018-06-02 01:19 +0100
                Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2018-06-02 01:18 +0000
                Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-01 18:19 -0700
                Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2018-06-02 03:14 +0000
                Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-01 20:23 -0700
                Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2018-06-02 03:39 +0000
                Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-01 20:55 -0700
                Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-06-02 00:01 -0400
                Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-01 21:12 -0700
                Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-06-02 00:25 -0400
                Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-01 21:36 -0700
                Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2018-06-02 04:40 +0000
                Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-01 21:43 -0700
                Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2018-06-01 23:12 -0700
                Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions "Jimmy Wilkinson Knife" <nowhere@somewear.co.uk> - 2018-06-02 14:04 +0100
                Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2018-06-02 10:18 -0700
                Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions "Jimmy Wilkinson Knife" <nowhere@somewear.co.uk> - 2018-06-02 18:28 +0100
                Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-02 10:54 -0700
                Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2018-06-02 11:01 -0700
                Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2018-06-02 11:21 -0700
                Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2018-06-03 03:23 +0000
                Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions "Jimmy Wilkinson Knife" <nowhere@somewear.co.uk> - 2018-06-02 20:45 +0100
                Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2018-06-02 13:12 -0700
                Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions "Jimmy Wilkinson Knife" <nowhere@somewear.co.uk> - 2018-06-02 21:19 +0100
                Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-02 13:27 -0700
                Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2018-06-03 03:29 +0000
                Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions "Jimmy Wilkinson Knife" <nowhere@somewear.co.uk> - 2018-06-03 18:52 +0100
                Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2018-06-03 21:20 +0000
                Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions tom <tom@0.0.0.0> - 2018-06-12 23:22 -0700
                Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions Sjouke Burry <burrynulnulfour@ppllaanneett.nnll> - 2018-06-14 00:29 +0200
                Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-06-02 00:01 -0400
                Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-01 21:15 -0700
                Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions simon singh <ss1988singh980@gmail.com> - 2018-06-02 22:40 +0000
                Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-06-08 07:22 -0500
                Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions "Jimmy Wilkinson Knife" <nowhere@somewear.co.uk> - 2018-06-02 14:05 +0100
            Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions "Jimmy Wilkinson Knife" <nowhere@somewear.co.uk> - 2018-06-02 01:18 +0100
              Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2018-06-02 01:15 +0000
                Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions "Jimmy Wilkinson Knife" <nowhere@somewear.co.uk> - 2018-06-02 14:09 +0100
          Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions tom <tom@0.0.0.0> - 2018-06-01 18:00 -0700
      Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions Anonymous <anonymous@anonymous.com> - 2018-06-01 08:40 -0500
        Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions "Jimmy Wilkinson Knife" <nowhere@somewear.co.uk> - 2018-06-01 23:43 +0100
        Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions tom <tom@0.0.0.0> - 2018-06-01 17:57 -0700
      Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-06-01 11:21 -0400
        Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions oOze <.m@nsn.s> - 2018-06-01 11:38 -0400
          Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions Your Friendly Neighbourhood Puppy Whistle Holder Emeritus 🐶笛 <root@127.0.0.1> - 2018-06-01 10:42 -0500
          Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-01 09:02 -0700
        Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions Your Friendly Neighbourhood Puppy Whistle Holder Emeritus 🐶笛 <root@127.0.0.1> - 2018-06-01 10:40 -0500
      Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions tom <tom@0.0.0.0> - 2018-06-01 17:54 -0700
        Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions oOze <.m@nsn.s> - 2018-06-02 09:28 -0400
          Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-06-02 09:55 -0400
            Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-02 10:41 -0700
            Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions oOze <.m@nsn.s> - 2018-06-02 22:38 -0400
              Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-02 19:45 -0700
              Re: Consumers' privacy concerns not backed by their actions nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-06-03 00:42 -0400

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