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Re: YASID: Spider Robinson story

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On 5/26/2018 2:25 PM, J. Clarke wrote:
> On Sat, 26 May 2018 13:41:20 -0700 (PDT), Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com>
> wrote:
> 
>> On Saturday, May 26, 2018 at 12:41:03 PM UTC-4, Mark Bestley wrote:
>>> Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Monday, May 21, 2018 at 11:43:03 PM UTC-4, Joy Beeson wrote:
>>>>> On Mon, 21 May 2018 19:17:58 -0600, Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Later in the series I think that it was retconned that the brakes were
>>>>>> sabotaged and it wasn't his fault after all.
>>>>>
>>>>> If I recall correctly, the time-traveller discovered that it was the
>>>>> front brakes that had failed, and the narrator had serviced the rear
>>>>> brakes.
>>>>>
>>>>> Actually, all those years he should have realized that if the back
>>>>> brakes had failed, the front brakes would have stopped the car just
>>>>> fine.
>>>>>
>>>>> I learned this by finding myself parked sideways in the road.  Front
>>>>> and back brakes applied equally, the front of the bike stopped, the
>>>>> back kept going.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Ah, the classic "endo."
>>>>
>>>> This is why I follow Sheldon Brown's rules for braking
>>>>
>>>> [quote]
>>>>
>>>> Skilled cyclists use the front brake alone probably 95% of the
>>>> time, but there are instances when the rear brake is preferred:
>>>>
>>>> [/quote]
>>>>
>>>> https://www.sheldonbrown.com/brakturn.html
>>>>
>>>> I won't say I've never panic stopped into an endo,
>>>> but I haven't in the last ....9?.... years.
>>>>
>>>
>>> UK official advice is use back and front equally.
>>> <http://cyclingscotland.msol.org.uk/Uploads/1330443471_CyclistGuide2012.pdf>
>>>
>>> "Apply both brakes
>>> gently and increase pressure equally.
>>> If you apply the front brake too
>>> strongly, you could fly over the
>>> handlebars. If you pull on the brakes
>>> too quickly, you could skid. Do not
>>> use your feet to help you stop"
>>>
>>> and I don't think that advice has changed since I passes the test 50
>>> years ago
>>
>> Whatever reason UK govt has for testing people contrary to the
>> advice of experts like Brown or John Forester, I can't say, except
>> that it may be good counsel for beginning riders, until they get
>> more experienced and learn to have confidence with what the front
>> brake can do on its own, properly applied.
>>
>> I do tend to use my back brake some, but comparatively lightly, to
>> avoid fishtailing.  One brakes differently under different conditions.
>> Of course, you also brake differently if riding with a coaster brake
>> or on a fixed-gear bike.  See:
>>
>> http://www.bikexprt.com/streetsmarts/usa/chapter6a.htm
>>
>> BTW, these UK tests aren't mandatory for adult riders, are they?
> 
> Don't know if it's true for bicycles, but the way to get the best
> stopping distance on a motorcycle is usually to touch the back brake
> first, which puts a little preload on the front tire, then hit the
> front hard.  The thing to avoid, which is all to easy to do, is
> locking up the back--if it locks and doesn't unlock you're going down.

That's what I learned for motorcycles as well.

I bought a new bicycle in the last year that has front & rear disc 
brakes.  I'm not healthy or strong enough to get up to (relatively) high 
speeds on it and I'm old and cautious enough to have not yet gotten into 
an emergency braking situation, so applying both at the same time early 
enough seems to be working just fine for me.


-- 
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instinct are running screaming.

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YASID: Spider Robinson story Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2018-05-21 14:03 -0500
  Re: YASID: Spider Robinson story ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2018-05-21 19:06 +0000
    Re: YASID: Spider Robinson story Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2018-05-21 12:29 -0700
  Re: YASID: Spider Robinson story jdnicoll@panix.com (James Nicoll) - 2018-05-21 19:29 +0000
  Re: YASID: Spider Robinson story Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2018-05-21 17:01 -0500
    Re: YASID: Spider Robinson story Jack Bohn <jack.bohn64@gmail.com> - 2018-05-22 05:07 -0700
      Re: YASID: Spider Robinson story D B Davis <g@crcomp.net> - 2018-05-22 16:32 +0000
  Re: YASID: Spider Robinson story Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2018-05-21 19:17 -0600
    Re: YASID: Spider Robinson story Joy Beeson <jbeeson@invalid.net.invalid> - 2018-05-21 23:42 -0300
      Re: YASID: Spider Robinson story Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2018-05-22 01:23 -0600
      Re: YASID: Spider Robinson story Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2018-05-22 09:41 -0700
        Re: YASID: Spider Robinson story Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2018-05-22 12:27 -0500
          Re: YASID: Spider Robinson story Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2018-05-22 10:44 -0700
            Re: YASID: Spider Robinson story Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2018-05-22 14:58 -0500
              Re: YASID: Spider Robinson story Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2018-05-22 15:10 -0700
              Re: YASID: Spider Robinson story Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2018-05-22 22:59 -0600
                Re: YASID: Spider Robinson story Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2018-05-23 12:43 -0500
                Re: YASID: Spider Robinson story Jack Bohn <jack.bohn64@gmail.com> - 2018-05-24 05:22 -0700
            Re: YASID: Spider Robinson story peterwezeman@hotmail.com - 2018-05-23 18:55 -0700
        Re: YASID: Spider Robinson story Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2018-05-22 12:30 -0700
          Re: YASID: Spider Robinson story Joe Bernstein <Kdeurama@gmail.com> - 2018-05-23 19:47 +0000
            Re: YASID: Spider Robinson story Peter Trei <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2018-05-23 13:36 -0700
              Re: YASID: Spider Robinson story Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2018-05-24 01:55 -0700
                Re: YASID: Spider Robinson story Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2018-05-24 05:04 -0700
                Re: YASID: Spider Robinson story Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2018-05-24 18:53 -0700
                Re: YASID: Spider Robinson story Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2018-05-24 19:55 -0700
                Re: YASID: Spider Robinson story Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2018-05-24 20:06 -0700
                Re: YASID: Spider Robinson story Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2018-05-25 04:46 -0700
                Re: YASID: Spider Robinson story Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2018-05-25 05:34 -0700
            Re: YASID: Spider Robinson story Peter Trei <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2018-05-23 13:38 -0700
            Re: YASID: Spider Robinson story Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2018-05-23 13:48 -0700
              Re: YASID: Spider Robinson story Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2018-05-23 21:13 -0600
            Re: YASID: Spider Robinson story J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-05-23 21:43 -0400
            Re: YASID: Spider Robinson story Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2018-05-23 21:08 -0600
        Re: YASID: Spider Robinson story Steve Dodds <sdodds@nova-optical.com> - 2018-05-22 13:48 -0600
        Re: YASID: Spider Robinson story news{@bestley.co.uk (Mark Bestley) - 2018-05-26 17:39 +0100
          Re: YASID: Spider Robinson story Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2018-05-26 13:41 -0700
            Re: YASID: Spider Robinson story J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-05-26 17:25 -0400
              Re: YASID: Spider Robinson story Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2018-05-26 15:21 -0700
                Re: YASID: Spider Robinson story J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-05-26 18:32 -0400
                Re: YASID: Spider Robinson story Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2018-05-26 16:53 -0700
                Re: YASID: Spider Robinson story Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2018-05-26 20:11 -0700
                Re: YASID: Spider Robinson story Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2018-05-27 05:00 -0700
                Re: YASID: Spider Robinson story D B Davis <g@crcomp.net> - 2018-05-27 13:41 +0000
                Re: YASID: Spider Robinson story Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2018-05-27 11:26 -0700

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