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Re: Newton and Galilean relativity

From Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Newsgroups sci.physics.relativity
Subject Re: Newton and Galilean relativity
Date 2018-05-25 18:17 +0000
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Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Friday, May 25, 2018 at 5:40:46 AM UTC-7, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>> On 5/24/18 7:58 PM, Robert Winn wrote:
>>> On Thursday, May 24, 2018 at 3:25:43 PM UTC-7, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>> Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Thursday, May 24, 2018 at 1:55:18 PM UTC-7, Libor Striz wrote:
>>>>>> Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> Wrote in message:
>>>>>>> On Thursday, May 24, 2018 at 12:20:29 PM UTC-7, Libor
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> ----Android NewsGroup Reader----
>>>>>>>> http://usenet.sinaapp.com/
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Well, once again, we are talking about two different things.  While it
>>>>>>> may be true that atomic time works fine for measuring atomic reactions,
>>>>>>> etc.,  which all occur at the same rate as transitions of cesium atoms,
>>>>>>> and are always measured by clocks operating at the same rates, when it
>>>>>>> comes to large distances and clock rates, a clock in a GPS satellite is
>>>>>>> measurably faster than an identical clock on earth according to scientists.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> No, incoming signal rate is faster.
>>>>>> That is very different thing.
>>>>> Well, I do not know a thing about incoming signal rates.  What I do know
>>>>> about is what scientists were saying about clocks on airplanes when I was
>>>>> growing up.  They said the clocks were slower or faster than identical
>>>>> clocks on earth.  So now is there some more politically correct way of saying it?
>>>>>> An engine of the approaching car has a higher acoustic pitch than
>>>>>> of the same  departing one, passing a listener. Does it mean the
>>>>>> engine has more revolutions per minute in the approaching phase,
>>>>>> comparing it to the departing one ?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> No, it does not.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> So what are you saying, that periodic processes all agree with a clock
>>>>>>> on earth or with the clock where the periodic processes occur?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Periodic processes agree with adjacent clocks. If clock and a
>>>>>> periodic signal are mutually moving and/or are at different
>>>>>> gravity, perception of signal rate is changed,
>>>>>> similarly as in the passing car example.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I say that it is with the clock where the periodic processes
>>>>>> occur, which means that all velocities are slower in the GPS
>>>>>> satellite as measured by the clock on earth.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> No,rate of incoming periodic  signal
>>>>>> from these processes is slower.
>>>>>> Like for the car.
>>>>> Well, I still don't visualize what you are saying.  Scientists used to
>>>>> just come right out and say,  The moving clock is slower, or the clock on
>>>>> the airplane was faster.  I would say that all processes slow down or
>>>>> speed up the same way transitions of a cesium atom do.  Scientists of
>>>>> today say, Oh, no, the transitions of a cesium atom never change.
>>>>> Lengths contract, time dilates, space curves, but the transitions of a
>>>>> cesium atom never change.  I say that if two identical cesium clocks are
>>>>> compared and they show different times, something changed.  I say it was
>>>>> the rate of transitions of the cesium clock.
>>>> 
>>>> Well, Robert, that’s the problem with the sloppy language used by newspaper
>>>> and television reporters trying to describe what was observed: people tend
>>>> to make up their own inferences on what that means — as you did. The good
>>>> thing about precise scientific language is that those kinds of sloppy
>>>> inferences get curtailed. And in fact, it is very interesting how two
>>>> clocks that end up recording different elapsed times can do that without
>>>> the rate of either clock having been altered. That is the rather remarkable
>>>> result of relativity that it accounts for this in a completely different
>>>> way, and that’s why it’s interesting to learn.
>>>> 
>>> I don't think it is sloppy language at all to say that two clocks that
>>> show different times were running at different rates.  I know your
>>> different way, and I do not believe in it.  
>> 
>> Well, I suppose it's your choice to believe whatever you want.
>> Science, however, is based on a premise of becoming convinced by 
>> experimental evidence. This doesn't have anything to do with choice, 
>> really, and in fact doesn't leave much room for choice.
>> 
>> The aim of science is to pose questions to nature and then let nature 
>> tell you what the truth is. Human choices about what they wish to 
>> believe therefore do not factor in.
>> 
>>> Two sets of Galilean transformation equations show that lengths are not
>>> contracted, but clocks can run at different rates of time.  So, if
>>> clocks show different elapsed times, I say they have different rates. 
>>> Sorry if you think this is sloppy language.  I think it is language
>>> that says exactly what I want to say.
>>> 
>> 
>> Whether it's what you want to say is irrelevant. What matters is whether 
>> it is representative of what's really happening. What is accurate and 
>> indisputable is what is actually observed: the two clocks show different 
>> elapsed times. The part that is not representative of what's really 
>> happening is your interpretation of that observation that they must then 
>> have been running at different rates. That is not accurate and is 
>> therefore sloppy language in the sense that it does not really describe 
>> what happened to produce that observation.
>> 
> You sound like James Clapper saying that he does not like the word spy. 
> Of course he does not like the word spy.  He used to be head of the CIA.  
> 
> 

Well it’s amusing that you think that a discussion of scientific
explanations is reminiscent of the CIA. I’ll leave that mental association
to you. 

-- 
Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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    Re: Newton and Galilean relativity "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-05-24 13:15 -0700

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