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Re: Newton and Galilean relativity

From Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Newsgroups sci.physics.relativity
Subject Re: Newton and Galilean relativity
Date 2018-05-25 17:15 +0000
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Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Friday, May 25, 2018 at 5:40:46 AM UTC-7, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>> On 5/24/18 7:58 PM, Robert Winn wrote:
>>> On Thursday, May 24, 2018 at 3:25:43 PM UTC-7, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>> Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Thursday, May 24, 2018 at 1:55:18 PM UTC-7, Libor Striz wrote:
>>>>>> Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> Wrote in message:
>>>>>>> On Thursday, May 24, 2018 at 12:20:29 PM UTC-7, Libor
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> ----Android NewsGroup Reader----
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>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Well, once again, we are talking about two different things.  While it
>>>>>>> may be true that atomic time works fine for measuring atomic reactions,
>>>>>>> etc.,  which all occur at the same rate as transitions of cesium atoms,
>>>>>>> and are always measured by clocks operating at the same rates, when it
>>>>>>> comes to large distances and clock rates, a clock in a GPS satellite is
>>>>>>> measurably faster than an identical clock on earth according to scientists.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> No, incoming signal rate is faster.
>>>>>> That is very different thing.
>>>>> Well, I do not know a thing about incoming signal rates.  What I do know
>>>>> about is what scientists were saying about clocks on airplanes when I was
>>>>> growing up.  They said the clocks were slower or faster than identical
>>>>> clocks on earth.  So now is there some more politically correct way of saying it?
>>>>>> An engine of the approaching car has a higher acoustic pitch than
>>>>>> of the same  departing one, passing a listener. Does it mean the
>>>>>> engine has more revolutions per minute in the approaching phase,
>>>>>> comparing it to the departing one ?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> No, it does not.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> So what are you saying, that periodic processes all agree with a clock
>>>>>>> on earth or with the clock where the periodic processes occur?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Periodic processes agree with adjacent clocks. If clock and a
>>>>>> periodic signal are mutually moving and/or are at different
>>>>>> gravity, perception of signal rate is changed,
>>>>>> similarly as in the passing car example.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I say that it is with the clock where the periodic processes
>>>>>> occur, which means that all velocities are slower in the GPS
>>>>>> satellite as measured by the clock on earth.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> No,rate of incoming periodic  signal
>>>>>> from these processes is slower.
>>>>>> Like for the car.
>>>>> Well, I still don't visualize what you are saying.  Scientists used to
>>>>> just come right out and say,  The moving clock is slower, or the clock on
>>>>> the airplane was faster.  I would say that all processes slow down or
>>>>> speed up the same way transitions of a cesium atom do.  Scientists of
>>>>> today say, Oh, no, the transitions of a cesium atom never change.
>>>>> Lengths contract, time dilates, space curves, but the transitions of a
>>>>> cesium atom never change.  I say that if two identical cesium clocks are
>>>>> compared and they show different times, something changed.  I say it was
>>>>> the rate of transitions of the cesium clock.
>>>> 
>>>> Well, Robert, that’s the problem with the sloppy language used by newspaper
>>>> and television reporters trying to describe what was observed: people tend
>>>> to make up their own inferences on what that means — as you did. The good
>>>> thing about precise scientific language is that those kinds of sloppy
>>>> inferences get curtailed. And in fact, it is very interesting how two
>>>> clocks that end up recording different elapsed times can do that without
>>>> the rate of either clock having been altered. That is the rather remarkable
>>>> result of relativity that it accounts for this in a completely different
>>>> way, and that’s why it’s interesting to learn.
>>>> 
>>> I don't think it is sloppy language at all to say that two clocks that
>>> show different times were running at different rates.  I know your
>>> different way, and I do not believe in it.  
>> 
>> Well, I suppose it's your choice to believe whatever you want.
>> Science, however, is based on a premise of becoming convinced by 
>> experimental evidence. This doesn't have anything to do with choice, 
>> really, and in fact doesn't leave much room for choice.
>> 
>> The aim of science is to pose questions to nature and then let nature 
>> tell you what the truth is. Human choices about what they wish to 
>> believe therefore do not factor in.
>> 
>>> Two sets of Galilean transformation equations show that lengths are not
>>> contracted, but clocks can run at different rates of time.  So, if
>>> clocks show different elapsed times, I say they have different rates. 
>>> Sorry if you think this is sloppy language.  I think it is language
>>> that says exactly what I want to say.
>>> 
>> 
>> Whether it's what you want to say is irrelevant. What matters is whether 
>> it is representative of what's really happening. What is accurate and 
>> indisputable is what is actually observed: the two clocks show different 
>> elapsed times. The part that is not representative of what's really 
>> happening is your interpretation of that observation that they must then 
>> have been running at different rates. That is not accurate and is 
>> therefore sloppy language in the sense that it does not really describe 
>> what happened to produce that observation.
>> 
> I don't see how the clocks could have different times if they were
> running at the same rate.  Sorry, that is just how I see it.  
> 
> 

Well then, you haven’t really learned the explanation offered by
relativity. I would encourage you to study, so that you might learn that
your explanation is not the only viable one, and in fact is not the best
explanation. 

Now, it’s entirely possible that you have no interest in learning the
explanation offered by relativity. It’s also possible that you will CHOOSE
to believe only the explanation you have arrived at yourself. I myself am
certainly not going to take on the challenge to educate you on the better
explanation. However, your choice will not change the fact that your
explanation is not relativity’s explanation, and it is not the correct
explanation. 

-- 
Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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                Re: Newton and Galilean relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-05-25 08:00 -0500
                Re: Newton and Galilean relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-05-25 08:33 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean relativity Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2018-05-25 09:17 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-05-25 18:52 +0000
    Re: Newton and Galilean relativity "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-05-24 13:15 -0700

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