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Re: Simplifying Einstein's Thought Experiments

From	Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
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Subject	Re: Simplifying Einstein's Thought Experiments
Date	2018-05-19 20:38 +0000
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Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> wrote:
> On Saturday, May 19, 2018 at 1:02:40 PM UTC-5, danco...@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Saturday, May 19, 2018 at 9:58:31 AM UTC-7, Ed Lake wrote:
>>> There are NO PULSES in radar guns.  
>> 
>> Ed, you can talk in terms of photons or wave crests or pulses, it
>> doesn't matter.  The Doppler effect is universal and applies to any
>> periodic sequence of entities comprising an electromagnetic wave.
>> 
>>> The photons oscillate at a given frequency.  
>> 
>> Photons do not oscillate.  
> 
> Yes, they do.  Research it.

I have. You’re wrong. 

> 
>> The electromagnetic wave, comprised of a huge number of photons,
>> oscillates in a wave-like pattern, with wave crests that propagate at c.
>>  You can replace the wave crests with pulses, and the description of the
>> Doppler shift is exactly the same.
> 
> Absolute nonsense.  The electromagnetic "wave" is actually a photon that oscillates.  

Flat wrong. Moreover that is purely your own conjecture. 

> Each emitted photon oscillates the same way.  Photons are emitted
> RANDOMLY from the emitter (if it is not a laser) and are scattered in all
> directions with no wave pattern to them.  The only "wave" is the wave
> pattern the oscillating photon traces as it moves through space.
> 
>> 
>>> When the photons hit a car, the atoms in the car absorb the photons 
>>> and instantly emit NEW photons back at the radar gun.
>> 
>> Well, not instantly, but almost instantly.
>> 
>>> The NEW photons oscillate at a higher rate due to the Doppler effect.
>> 
>> Again, photons don't oscillate.  The Doppler effect is purely due to the
>> reduced distance that successive photons (or wave crests or pulses or
>> whatever) must travel as the target object moves toward the gun.  This
>> is high school physics, Ed.
> 
> Yes, YOU should have paid more attention in high school.
> 
> "DOPPLER SHIFT:
> the shift in frequency (Doppler shift) of acoustic or electromagnetic
> radiation emitted by a source moving relative to an observer AS PERCEIVED
> BY THE OBSERVER: the shift is to higher frequencies when the source
> approaches and to lower frequencies when it recedes." 
> http://www.dictionary.com/browse/doppler-effect
> 
> IN other words, the Doppler effect is only PERCEIVED, and it is PERCEIVED
> BY THE OBSERVER, not by the source.  The oscillations of the photon ARE
> PERCEIVED to be shorter when the observer is moving toward the source.
> 
> The car in the radar gun situation PERCEIVES the photons that hit it as
> oscillating at a higher frequency than what is real.  When the car emits
> new photons, it emits them at that higher frequency.
>  
>> 
>> [snip quotes, mindlessly gleaned from the internet, all of which are
>> consistent with what I'm telling you, and all of which contradict your claims.]
>> 
>>> If you pretend the car is stationary and the radar gun is moving, 
>>> that just means you do not want to view how things work in our real
>>> world, you just want to play mathematical games.
>> 
>> But Ed, you yourself have agreed that the radar gun IS moving.  Why do
>> you say it is "pretending" when you know it to be true?  By pretending
>> the radar gun is not moving (even though you have admitted it IS
>> moving), are you playing mathematical games?
> 
> In what sense is the radar gun moving?  I'm talking about a car moving
> relative to the earth and a radar gun that is stationary relative to the earth.
> 
> The view from Mars is irrelevant, as is any mathematical fantasy where
> the car is somehow stationary and the radar gun is moving.
> 
>> 
>>> I can't find any source that says what happens if the radar gun is 
>>> moving and the car is stationary.  
>> 
>> Yes you can.  Every source on relativity discusses this explicitly.  It
>> works exactly as I explained it to you ten times,and exactly the same
>> explanation applies regardless of which inertial frame is used.  What
>> part of this don't you understand?
> 
> The speed of an emitter cannot be added to the speed of light. 
> Therefore, if the radar gun is moving, the emissions should be the same
> as if the radar gun was stationary (excluding relativistic effect, which
> would slow down the emissions).  
> 
> I'm going to try contacting my local police department to see what their
> radar guns show when they point them at a tree from a moving car.
> 
>> 
>>> When police use a moving radar gun to measure the speed of a moving 
>>> car, it is a DIFFERENT kind of gun, since the gun has to know the speed 
>>> of the gun in order to add it to the speed of the car being chased.
>> 
>> It isn't a different kind of radar gun, it's the same, because a radar
>> gun just determines the relative speed between gun and target.  
> 
> NO, IT IS DIFFERENT.  
> 
> "In so-called "moving radar", the radar antenna receives reflected
> signals from both the target vehicle and stationary background objects
> such as the road surface, nearby road signs, guard rails and streetlight
> poles. Instead of comparing the frequency of the signal reflected from
> the target with the transmitted signal, it compares the target signal
> with this background signal. The frequency difference between these two
> signals gives the true speed of the target vehicle." 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radar_gun
> 
> Note, that kind of radar gun compares the target signal with the
> background signal.  The speed of the police car is not used.  That kind
> of radar evidently measures the background as zero in order to get the speed of the car. 
> 
> Hmm.  That is VERY interesting.  
> 
>> But they want to know the speed between target and ground, so they
>> obviously need to subtract or add the speed of the gun relative to the
>> ground, in order to get the target car's speed relative to the ground. 
>> This is grade school arithmetic, Ed.  It isn't helping you understand
>> special relativity, because the speed of a car is so low compared to the
>> speed of light that you could get virtually the same result using either
>> Einstein's or Galileo's relativity.
> 
> But that's NOT what they do.  The speed of the gun relative to the ground
> is not used.  They compare the speed of the ground to the speed of the target car.
> 
>> 
>> That's why, if you want to understand the difference between Einstein's
>> and Galileo's relativity, thinking about police radar guns is a waste of
>> time.  You need to read Einstein's book, especially section 13.
> 
> I'm finding it more and more interesting, even fascinating.  It is
> clarifying some things for me.  I'm definitely going to try and talk with
> some local police who use radar guns.  Hopefully, they haven't switched
> over to the more modern Lidar guns.
> 
> Ed
> 



-- 
Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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                Re: Simplifying Einstein's Thought Experiments "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-05-27 11:13 -0700
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                Re: Simplifying Einstein's Thought Experiments Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-05-27 12:31 -0700
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                Re: Simplifying Einstein's Thought Experiments Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-05-28 10:15 -0700
                Re: Simplifying Einstein's Thought Experiments "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-05-28 10:28 -0700
                Re: Simplifying Einstein's Thought Experiments dancouriann@gmail.com - 2018-05-28 12:37 -0700
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                Re: Simplifying Einstein's Thought Experiments dancouriann@gmail.com - 2018-05-28 15:21 -0700
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                Re: Simplifying Einstein's Thought Experiments rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-05-25 19:13 -0700
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                Re: Simplifying Einstein's Thought Experiments dancouriann@gmail.com - 2018-05-24 14:57 -0700
                Re: Simplifying Einstein's Thought Experiments "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-05-24 19:06 -0700
                Re: Simplifying Einstein's Thought Experiments Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-05-25 07:27 -0700
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                Re: Simplifying Einstein's Thought Experiments dancouriann@gmail.com - 2018-05-25 09:36 -0700
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