Re: C++ features for C

From	David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no>
Newsgroups	comp.lang.c
Subject	Re: C++ features for C
Date	2018-05-15 13:18 +0200
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On 15/05/18 12:28, bartc wrote:
> On 15/05/2018 08:26, David Brown wrote:
>> On 14/05/18 22:46, Keith Thompson wrote:
>>> Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> writes:
> 
>>>> I don't want to leave the storage decision
>>>> (if the constant use memory or not ) for the compiler
>>>> or affect by my colleague checkin.
>>>> I prefer to be sure that the value is not using memory.
>>>> Particularity I don't feel conformable with the idea.
>>
>> That is not something you have direct control over in C.
> 
> It can be enough that the abstract execution model for the language
> states whether it uses notional 'storage' or doesn't. Then what the
> compiler may or may not do is irrelevant.
> 

I agree that what the compiler may or may not do is irrelevant.  It is
precisely because of that, that you cannot directly control whether you
have storage or not (or multiple storage).  And since you cannot have
direct control of it, there is no point in pretending you have a sort-of
control that sort-of works.

>>> I agree that there's no great benefit in being able to evaluate &PI.
> 
>> But what I really don't see is any benefit in /not/ being able to
>> evaluate &PI.
> 
> The benefit is consistency with every other case where you can't use &:
> results of operations, results of functions, integer literals, float
> literals**, and enum names. In all cases where there no named storage
> location to which it can sensibly apply.

Why should you specifically want to be consistent with these?
Consistency is a good thing when it matters, but not in itself.
Sometimes I want my "non-variable things" (I am trying to avoid
"constant" because, as has been pointed out, this is a specific term in
the C standards) to be addressable.  Such uses would be rare, but not
unknown.  So a general concept for these /has/ to be addressable for me.
 (With compiler optimisations keeping everything efficient.)

(And again, let me stress that I would like language and/or compiler
restrictions and warnings if you try to abuse the address to pretend to
change the non-variable thing.)

> 
> The only reason to object to not allowing &PI seems to be to be able to
> piss on any proposals which similarly forbid it.

Not at all.  I object to not allowing &PI because I want to allow &PI.
It is /that/ simple.

I also object to what I see as an arbitrary restriction on such new
non-variable things.  Restrictions can be good if they prevent mistakes,
or if they allow optimisations that could not be achieved otherwise.  We
already know that the optimisations are not an issue - compilers treat
"static const" objects, whose address can be taken, with the same
efficiency as literals and C constants.  And mistakes can be prevented
to a large extent by warnings or errors when trying to cast
pointer-to-const to pointer-to-non-const - or simply by not
intentionally writing code that has such errors (as you have to do it
intentionally and explicitly).

If there is to be a point in having a new, generalised non-variable
thing that replaces much of the need of #define, const, enum, etc., then
it has to be /better/ than them.  It has to be able to do all the things
that these can do, and do them more efficiently, more simply, more
correctly (i.e., less risk of mistakes).  If you can't take the address
of the new thing, it can't replace many uses of const objects.  It
already fails to replace many of the uses of #define and enum.  It
becomes - at best - yet another type of non-variable thingy in C and
C++, adding to the complexity rather than reducing it.

Thread

C++ features for C Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2018-05-11 10:13 -0700
  Re: C++ features for C supercat@casperkitty.com - 2018-05-11 10:47 -0700
    Re: C++ features for C Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2018-05-11 11:06 -0700
      Re: C++ features for C Philipp Klaus Krause <pkk@spth.de> - 2018-05-11 21:52 +0200
        Re: C++ features for C Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2018-05-11 16:51 -0700
      Re: C++ features for C Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2018-05-11 21:35 +0100
      Re: C++ features for C Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-11 23:39 -0700
    Re: C++ features for C bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-05-11 19:20 +0100
      Re: C++ features for C supercat@casperkitty.com - 2018-05-11 12:21 -0700
    Re: C++ features for C Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2018-05-12 11:09 -0400
      Re: C++ features for C Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2018-05-18 20:48 -0700
        Re: C++ features for C supercat@casperkitty.com - 2018-05-19 12:59 -0700
          Re: C++ features for C Ike Naar <ike@iceland.freeshell.org> - 2018-05-22 06:50 +0000
            Re: C++ features for C supercat@casperkitty.com - 2018-05-22 07:39 -0700
              Re: C++ features for C Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-22 09:54 -0700
        Re: C++ features for C Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2018-05-19 16:18 -0400
          Re: C++ features for C supercat@casperkitty.com - 2018-05-19 13:54 -0700
            Re: C++ features for C Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2018-05-19 18:05 -0400
          Re: C++ features for C Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2018-06-14 04:27 -0700
            Re: C++ features for C supercat@casperkitty.com - 2018-06-14 07:35 -0700
            Re: C++ features for C Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2018-06-15 10:25 -0400
              Re: C++ features for C Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2018-06-17 12:59 -0700
                Re: C++ features for C supercat@casperkitty.com - 2018-06-17 23:44 -0700
    Re: C++ features for C Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2018-05-12 12:48 -0700
      Re: C++ features for C supercat@casperkitty.com - 2018-05-12 13:07 -0700
        Re: C++ features for C Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2018-05-12 13:59 -0700
  Re: C++ features for C bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-05-11 18:50 +0100
    Re: C++ features for C Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2018-05-11 11:22 -0700
    Re: C++ features for C Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2018-05-18 02:45 -0700
  Re: C++ features for C Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2018-05-11 11:28 -0700
  Re: C++ features for C Philipp Klaus Krause <pkk@spth.de> - 2018-05-11 21:49 +0200
    Re: C++ features for C Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2018-05-11 16:44 -0700
    Terse static_assert (was Re: C++ features for C) Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2018-05-12 05:51 +0000
      Re: Terse static_assert (was Re: C++ features for C) Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2018-05-18 22:20 -0700
        Re: Terse static_assert (was Re: C++ features for C) Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2018-05-22 05:24 +0000
          Re: Terse static_assert (was Re: C++ features for C) Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-22 00:47 -0700
          Re: Terse static_assert (was Re: C++ features for C) Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2018-06-14 03:22 -0700
  Re: C++ features for C Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2018-05-12 07:59 +1200
    Re: C++ features for C Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2018-05-11 13:28 -0700
      Re: C++ features for C Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2018-05-12 10:13 +1200
      Re: C++ features for C supercat@casperkitty.com - 2018-05-11 15:36 -0700
      Re: C++ features for C Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2018-05-11 15:38 -0700
        Re: C++ features for C Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2018-05-11 16:41 -0700
          Re: C++ features for C bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-05-12 11:53 +0100
            Re: C++ features for C Philipp Klaus Krause <pkk@spth.de> - 2018-05-12 13:30 +0200
              Re: C++ features for C bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-05-12 13:48 +0100
                Re: C++ features for C Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2018-05-12 12:17 -0700
                Re: C++ features for C Philipp Klaus Krause <pkk@spth.de> - 2018-05-13 09:44 +0200
            Re: C++ features for C Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2018-05-12 14:46 +0100
              Re: C++ features for C bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-05-12 17:23 +0100
                Re: C++ features for C Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2018-05-12 19:46 +0100
                Re: C++ features for C bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-05-12 21:05 +0100
                Re: C++ features for C Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2018-05-13 02:16 +0100
                Re: C++ features for C bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-05-13 12:06 +0100
                Re: C++ features for C Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2018-05-13 14:20 +0100
                Re: C++ features for C bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-05-13 16:19 +0100
                Re: C++ features for C David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-05-13 21:00 +0200
                Re: C++ features for C bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-05-13 20:30 +0100
                Re: C++ features for C David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-05-14 09:49 +0200
                Re: C++ features for C bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-05-14 11:56 +0100
                Re: C++ features for C David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-05-14 13:15 +0200
                Re: C++ features for C supercat@casperkitty.com - 2018-05-14 09:28 -0700
                Re: C++ features for C bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-05-14 17:44 +0100
                Re: C++ features for C supercat@casperkitty.com - 2018-05-14 10:13 -0700
                Re: C++ features for C scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2018-05-14 17:46 +0000
                Re: C++ features for C scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2018-05-14 17:13 +0000
                Re: C++ features for C supercat@casperkitty.com - 2018-05-14 11:23 -0700
                Re: C++ features for C Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-14 14:06 -0700
                Re: C++ features for C supercat@casperkitty.com - 2018-05-13 12:40 -0700
                Re: C++ features for C David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-05-14 09:11 +0200
            Re: C++ features for C David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-05-12 18:03 +0200
              Re: C++ features for C bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-05-12 17:45 +0100
                Re: C++ features for C Ike Naar <ike@iceland.freeshell.org> - 2018-05-12 18:00 +0000
                Re: C++ features for C bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-05-12 20:31 +0100
                Re: C++ features for C David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-05-13 16:57 +0200
                Re: C++ features for C bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-05-13 17:14 +0100
                Re: C++ features for C supercat@casperkitty.com - 2018-05-13 11:38 -0700
                Re: C++ features for C bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-05-13 19:52 +0100
                Re: C++ features for C David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-05-13 21:18 +0200
                Re: C++ features for C Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-13 12:35 -0700
                Re: C++ features for C bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-05-13 21:22 +0100
                Re: C++ features for C mark.bluemel@gmail.com - 2018-05-14 00:49 -0700
                Re: C++ features for C Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-14 01:05 -0700
                Re: C++ features for C David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-05-14 10:14 +0200
                Re: C++ features for C bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-05-14 11:43 +0100
                Re: C++ features for C bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-05-14 12:05 +0100
                Re: C++ features for C Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2018-05-14 09:19 -0700
                Re: C++ features for C bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-05-14 17:29 +0100
                Re: C++ features for C David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-05-14 13:24 +0200
                Re: C++ features for C bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-05-14 14:07 +0100
                Re: C++ features for C David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-05-14 16:19 +0200
                Re: C++ features for C mark.bluemel@gmail.com - 2018-05-14 07:49 -0700
                Re: C++ features for C Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-14 08:07 -0700
                Re: C++ features for C Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2018-05-13 13:20 -0700
                Re: C++ features for C David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-05-14 10:47 +0200
                Re: C++ features for C Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2018-05-14 10:35 -0700
                Re: C++ features for C David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-05-15 09:10 +0200
                Re: C++ features for C Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2018-05-15 08:53 -0700
            Re: C++ features for C Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2018-05-13 08:19 +1200
              Re: C++ features for C scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2018-05-13 17:44 +0000
            Re: C++ features for C supercat@casperkitty.com - 2018-05-12 13:33 -0700
            Re: C++ features for C bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-05-13 22:56 +0100
              Re: C++ features for C supercat@casperkitty.com - 2018-05-13 15:18 -0700
                Re: C++ features for C bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-05-13 23:41 +0100
                Re: C++ features for C David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-05-14 12:05 +0200
                Re: C++ features for C Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-14 04:30 -0700
                Re: C++ features for C supercat@casperkitty.com - 2018-05-14 08:31 -0700
                Re: C++ features for C Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-14 08:39 -0700
                Re: C++ features for C bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-05-14 17:21 +0100
                Re: C++ features for C supercat@casperkitty.com - 2018-05-14 09:33 -0700
                Re: C++ features for C bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-05-14 17:55 +0100
                Re: C++ features for C supercat@casperkitty.com - 2018-05-14 11:26 -0700
                Re: C++ features for C bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-05-14 20:24 +0100
                Re: C++ features for C Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2018-05-14 13:07 -0700
              Re: C++ features for C Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2018-05-13 15:28 -0700
                Re: C++ features for C bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-05-13 23:43 +0100
                Re: C++ features for C mark.bluemel@gmail.com - 2018-05-14 00:50 -0700
                Re: C++ features for C David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-05-14 12:37 +0200
          Re: C++ features for C Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2018-05-13 08:32 +1200
            Re: C++ features for C bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-05-12 22:48 +0100
              Re: C++ features for C Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2018-05-13 10:08 +1200
                Re: C++ features for C bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-05-13 00:00 +0100
                Re: C++ features for C bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-05-13 00:35 +0100
                Re: C++ features for C Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2018-05-13 12:24 +1200
                Re: C++ features for C bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-05-13 01:37 +0100
                Re: C++ features for C Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2018-05-13 13:30 +1200
                Re: C++ features for C David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-05-13 17:57 +0200
                Re: C++ features for C bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-05-13 17:31 +0100
                Re: C++ features for C David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-05-13 21:34 +0200
                Re: C++ features for C supercat@casperkitty.com - 2018-05-13 11:11 -0700
                Re: C++ features for C bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-05-13 19:41 +0100
                Re: C++ features for C David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-05-13 21:42 +0200
                Re: C++ features for C supercat@casperkitty.com - 2018-05-13 13:09 -0700
                Re: C++ features for C David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-05-14 12:41 +0200
                Re: C++ features for C Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2018-05-14 14:25 +0100
              Re: C++ features for C supercat@casperkitty.com - 2018-05-12 15:36 -0700
                Re: C++ features for C Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-13 12:05 -0700
              Re: C++ features for C Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2018-05-12 15:53 -0700
                Re: C++ features for C bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-05-13 00:14 +0100
                Re: C++ features for C Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2018-05-12 18:05 -0700
                Re: C++ features for C David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-05-13 21:59 +0200
                Re: C++ features for C supercat@casperkitty.com - 2018-05-13 13:23 -0700
                Re: C++ features for C bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-05-13 22:05 +0100
                Re: C++ features for C David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-05-14 12:55 +0200
                Re: C++ features for C David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-05-14 12:57 +0200
                Re: C++ features for C Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2018-05-14 10:57 -0700
                Re: C++ features for C David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-05-15 09:14 +0200
                Re: C++ features for C Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2018-05-13 14:10 -0700
              Re: C++ features for C David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-05-13 17:31 +0200
            Re: C++ features for C Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2018-05-14 10:19 -0700
              Re: C++ features for C Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2018-05-15 08:06 +1200
                Re: C++ features for C Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2018-05-14 13:20 -0700
                Re: C++ features for C Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2018-05-14 13:46 -0700
                Re: C++ features for C Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2018-05-14 14:12 -0700
                Re: C++ features for C Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2018-05-14 14:27 -0700
                Re: C++ features for C supercat@casperkitty.com - 2018-05-14 15:21 -0700
                Re: C++ features for C Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-14 15:24 -0700
                Re: C++ features for C David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-05-15 09:26 +0200
                Re: C++ features for C bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-05-15 11:28 +0100
                Re: C++ features for C David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-05-15 13:18 +0200
                Re: C++ features for C Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2018-05-15 12:23 +0100
                Re: C++ features for C bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-05-15 13:27 +0100
                Re: C++ features for C Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2018-05-15 16:19 +0100
                Re: C++ features for C Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-15 08:29 -0700
                Re: C++ features for C bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-05-15 17:18 +0100
                Re: C++ features for C Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2018-05-15 10:23 -0700
                Re: C++ features for C bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-05-15 19:23 +0100
                Re: C++ features for C Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2018-05-15 11:59 -0700
                Re: C++ features for C bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-05-15 20:20 +0100
                Re: C++ features for C Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2018-05-15 12:56 -0700
                Re: C++ features for C bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-05-15 21:01 +0100
                Re: C++ features for C Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2018-05-15 13:15 -0700
                Re: C++ features for C bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-05-15 22:36 +0100
                Re: C++ features for C Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2018-05-15 14:59 -0700
                Re: C++ features for C bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-05-15 23:54 +0100
                Re: C++ features for C Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2018-05-15 16:18 -0700
                Re: C++ features for C bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-05-16 00:40 +0100
                Re: C++ features for C Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2018-05-15 17:25 -0700
                Re: C++ features for C bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-05-16 01:32 +0100
                Re: C++ features for C scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2018-05-16 14:32 +0000
                Re: C++ features for C Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-16 07:41 -0700
                Re: C++ features for C Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-15 21:13 -0700
                Re: C++ features for C supercat@casperkitty.com - 2018-05-16 07:51 -0700
                Re: C++ features for C bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-05-16 18:09 +0100
                Re: C++ features for C supercat@casperkitty.com - 2018-05-16 13:22 -0700
                Re: C++ features for C David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-05-16 09:15 +0200
                Re: C++ features for C Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-16 00:39 -0700
                Re: C++ features for C supercat@casperkitty.com - 2018-05-16 08:31 -0700
                Re: C++ features for C David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-05-17 15:00 +0200
                Re: C++ features for C supercat@casperkitty.com - 2018-05-17 08:07 -0700
                Re: C++ features for C Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-18 05:04 -0700
                Re: C++ features for C Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2018-05-17 09:07 -0700
                Re: C++ features for C supercat@casperkitty.com - 2018-05-17 10:33 -0700
                Re: C++ features for C scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2018-05-17 18:04 +0000
                Re: C++ features for C supercat@casperkitty.com - 2018-05-17 13:15 -0700
                Re: C++ features for C Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2018-05-17 14:07 -0700
                Re: C++ features for C supercat@casperkitty.com - 2018-05-17 15:40 -0700
                Re: C++ features for C Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2018-05-17 16:28 -0700
                Re: C++ features for C supercat@casperkitty.com - 2018-05-18 09:17 -0700
                Re: C++ features for C Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2018-05-18 10:36 -0700
                Re: C++ features for C supercat@casperkitty.com - 2018-05-18 11:41 -0700
                Re: C++ features for C Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-19 14:16 -0700
                Re: C++ features for C Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2018-05-18 19:54 -0400
                Re: C++ features for C David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-05-17 20:39 +0200
                Re: C++ features for C Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2018-05-17 12:37 -0700
                Re: C++ features for C Ike Naar <ike@iceland.freeshell.org> - 2018-05-17 19:54 +0000
                Re: C++ features for C Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2018-05-17 13:39 -0700
                Re: C++ features for C David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-05-17 22:48 +0200
                Re: C++ features for C David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-05-17 22:47 +0200
                Re: C++ features for C Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2018-05-17 14:13 -0700
                Re: C++ features for C David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-05-18 10:10 +0200
                Re: C++ features for C David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-05-18 17:55 +0200
                Re: C++ features for C Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-18 08:59 -0700
                Re: C++ features for C supercat@casperkitty.com - 2018-05-18 10:17 -0700
                Re: C++ features for C "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid> - 2018-05-15 15:56 -0700
                Re: C++ features for C "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid> - 2018-05-15 15:59 -0700
                Re: C++ features for C supercat@casperkitty.com - 2018-05-15 15:15 -0700
                Re: C++ features for C Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2018-05-15 15:58 -0700
                Re: C++ features for C Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-15 16:48 -0700
                Re: C++ features for C gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2018-05-15 20:37 +0000
                Re: C++ features for C supercat@casperkitty.com - 2018-05-15 13:46 -0700
                Re: C++ features for C Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-15 14:43 -0700
                Re: C++ features for C Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2018-05-15 09:17 -0700
                Re: C++ features for C bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-05-15 18:20 +0100
                Re: C++ features for C scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2018-05-15 17:38 +0000
                Re: C++ features for C Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2018-05-15 11:13 -0700
                Re: C++ features for C Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-15 06:40 -0700
                Re: C++ features for C Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2018-05-15 09:12 -0700
                Re: C++ features for C Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-15 03:33 -0700
                Re: C++ features for C Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2018-05-15 09:09 -0700
                Re: C++ features for C David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-05-15 23:45 +0200
                Re: C++ features for C Ike Naar <ike@iceland.freeshell.org> - 2018-05-17 18:49 +0000
                Re: C++ features for C David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-05-17 22:49 +0200
  Re: C++ features for C Chad <cdalten@gmail.com> - 2018-05-11 15:46 -0700
    Re: C++ features for C supercat@casperkitty.com - 2018-05-11 16:13 -0700
  Re: C++ features for C Andrey Tarasevich <andreytarasevich@hotmail.com> - 2018-05-11 16:52 -0700
    Re: C++ features for C Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2018-05-11 16:56 -0700

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