Re: C++ features for C

From	David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no>
Newsgroups	comp.lang.c
Subject	Re: C++ features for C
Date	2018-05-13 21:00 +0200
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On 13/05/18 17:19, bartc wrote:
> On 13/05/2018 14:20, Ben Bacarisse wrote:
>> bartc <bc@freeuk.com> writes:
> 
>>> Hence the use of a 'const' prefix (NOT C's const), which makes things
>>> pretty clear,
>>
>> It makes it clear to you -- it's your language after all.  What's not
>> clear to me is how, if at all, you do C's const.
> 
> My 'const' tries to do what Pascal's 'const' does rather C's 'const'. 
> That's why I sometimes use 'constant' for proposed examples in C syntax.

Ironically, "const" is famous in Pascal (particularly Borland's 
flavours) for being /completely/ wrong.  "const x : Integer = 123;" in 
Pascal does /not/ make "x" a constant.  It makes x a variable with an 
initial value.

Without a specified type - like "const x = 123;" - it defines a real 
constant "x".  But then you can't specify the type of the constant, and 
you can't use initialisers other than a very limited set of operations 
on constant values (unlike "const" in C++).  It is a little like an 
inflexible version of "#define", but with better scoping.

All in all, Pascal's "const" is a rather poor model to copy.

> 
> If such a feature was added to C, then it wouldn't be able to use 'const'.
> 
>> It's not (IIRC) possible in Algol 68 to simulate C's "read only" meaning
>> of const but it doesn't matter much because of the rest of the design of
>> the language.  You don't usually use REF REF modes in the same way you
>> use pointer types in C, so marking the target "read only" is rarely
>> needed.
> 
> I haven't tried to do the equivalent of C's 'const' at all. I don't 
> think C-const works very well; it just introduces extra clutter for 
> little benefit, and as protection against modifying a data structure, 
> there are too many holes giving a false sense of security.
> 
> But I haven't found a satisfactory alternative. (At the low level, it 
> may not matter, and doesn't really need much more than a way to denote 
> that certain tables need to reside in a read-only section. At the next 
> level, I use mutability flags to ensure literal data in the program 
> can't be modified.)
> 
>    But no one except you knows the rest of your design -- not even
>> the intended purpose of the design -- so I can't form an opinion.
>>
>> And I wouldn't anyway -- not here -- as it's off topic.  The merits of
>> C's "read only" meaning of const (well, "read-only through this lvalue
>> expression") is still, just about, on topic.
> 
> C's choice of 'const' to mean 'read-only' may have a lot to answer for. 

It is hard to get a consistent idea of "constant" in coding, and one 
that can be used in all cases.  C's version is rather limited - C++'s is 
a good deal better, but still has compromises.  I am solidly convinced 
that you can't have a single "constant" idea that covers all aspects 
that would be needed - certainly your attempt at one "simple" version 
does not.

> And often it doesn't even mean that, but write-once-read-many. 

Objects defined as "const" are not writeable at all in C or C++ - they 
can (indeed, must) be /initialised/, but not written.

> But there 
> is never any suggestion that it is declaring anything other than 
> something that is stored in memory (or even in a register).
> 

There is never any suggestion that anyone cares if it is stored in 
memory (unless, of course, you want to use its address and /want/ it to 
be in memory).

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C++ features for C Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2018-05-11 10:13 -0700
  Re: C++ features for C supercat@casperkitty.com - 2018-05-11 10:47 -0700
    Re: C++ features for C Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2018-05-11 11:06 -0700
      Re: C++ features for C Philipp Klaus Krause <pkk@spth.de> - 2018-05-11 21:52 +0200
        Re: C++ features for C Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2018-05-11 16:51 -0700
      Re: C++ features for C Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2018-05-11 21:35 +0100
      Re: C++ features for C Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-11 23:39 -0700
    Re: C++ features for C bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-05-11 19:20 +0100
      Re: C++ features for C supercat@casperkitty.com - 2018-05-11 12:21 -0700
    Re: C++ features for C Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2018-05-12 11:09 -0400
      Re: C++ features for C Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2018-05-18 20:48 -0700
        Re: C++ features for C supercat@casperkitty.com - 2018-05-19 12:59 -0700
          Re: C++ features for C Ike Naar <ike@iceland.freeshell.org> - 2018-05-22 06:50 +0000
            Re: C++ features for C supercat@casperkitty.com - 2018-05-22 07:39 -0700
              Re: C++ features for C Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-22 09:54 -0700
        Re: C++ features for C Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2018-05-19 16:18 -0400
          Re: C++ features for C supercat@casperkitty.com - 2018-05-19 13:54 -0700
            Re: C++ features for C Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2018-05-19 18:05 -0400
          Re: C++ features for C Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2018-06-14 04:27 -0700
            Re: C++ features for C supercat@casperkitty.com - 2018-06-14 07:35 -0700
            Re: C++ features for C Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2018-06-15 10:25 -0400
              Re: C++ features for C Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2018-06-17 12:59 -0700
                Re: C++ features for C supercat@casperkitty.com - 2018-06-17 23:44 -0700
    Re: C++ features for C Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2018-05-12 12:48 -0700
      Re: C++ features for C supercat@casperkitty.com - 2018-05-12 13:07 -0700
        Re: C++ features for C Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2018-05-12 13:59 -0700
  Re: C++ features for C bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-05-11 18:50 +0100
    Re: C++ features for C Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2018-05-11 11:22 -0700
    Re: C++ features for C Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2018-05-18 02:45 -0700
  Re: C++ features for C Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2018-05-11 11:28 -0700
  Re: C++ features for C Philipp Klaus Krause <pkk@spth.de> - 2018-05-11 21:49 +0200
    Re: C++ features for C Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2018-05-11 16:44 -0700
    Terse static_assert (was Re: C++ features for C) Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2018-05-12 05:51 +0000
      Re: Terse static_assert (was Re: C++ features for C) Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2018-05-18 22:20 -0700
        Re: Terse static_assert (was Re: C++ features for C) Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2018-05-22 05:24 +0000
          Re: Terse static_assert (was Re: C++ features for C) Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-22 00:47 -0700
          Re: Terse static_assert (was Re: C++ features for C) Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2018-06-14 03:22 -0700
  Re: C++ features for C Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2018-05-12 07:59 +1200
    Re: C++ features for C Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2018-05-11 13:28 -0700
      Re: C++ features for C Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2018-05-12 10:13 +1200
      Re: C++ features for C supercat@casperkitty.com - 2018-05-11 15:36 -0700
      Re: C++ features for C Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2018-05-11 15:38 -0700
        Re: C++ features for C Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2018-05-11 16:41 -0700
          Re: C++ features for C bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-05-12 11:53 +0100
            Re: C++ features for C Philipp Klaus Krause <pkk@spth.de> - 2018-05-12 13:30 +0200
              Re: C++ features for C bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-05-12 13:48 +0100
                Re: C++ features for C Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2018-05-12 12:17 -0700
                Re: C++ features for C Philipp Klaus Krause <pkk@spth.de> - 2018-05-13 09:44 +0200
            Re: C++ features for C Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2018-05-12 14:46 +0100
              Re: C++ features for C bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-05-12 17:23 +0100
                Re: C++ features for C Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2018-05-12 19:46 +0100
                Re: C++ features for C bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-05-12 21:05 +0100
                Re: C++ features for C Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2018-05-13 02:16 +0100
                Re: C++ features for C bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-05-13 12:06 +0100
                Re: C++ features for C Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2018-05-13 14:20 +0100
                Re: C++ features for C bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-05-13 16:19 +0100
                Re: C++ features for C David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-05-13 21:00 +0200
                Re: C++ features for C bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-05-13 20:30 +0100
                Re: C++ features for C David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-05-14 09:49 +0200
                Re: C++ features for C bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-05-14 11:56 +0100
                Re: C++ features for C David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-05-14 13:15 +0200
                Re: C++ features for C supercat@casperkitty.com - 2018-05-14 09:28 -0700
                Re: C++ features for C bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-05-14 17:44 +0100
                Re: C++ features for C supercat@casperkitty.com - 2018-05-14 10:13 -0700
                Re: C++ features for C scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2018-05-14 17:46 +0000
                Re: C++ features for C scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2018-05-14 17:13 +0000
                Re: C++ features for C supercat@casperkitty.com - 2018-05-14 11:23 -0700
                Re: C++ features for C Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-14 14:06 -0700
                Re: C++ features for C supercat@casperkitty.com - 2018-05-13 12:40 -0700
                Re: C++ features for C David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-05-14 09:11 +0200
            Re: C++ features for C David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-05-12 18:03 +0200
              Re: C++ features for C bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-05-12 17:45 +0100
                Re: C++ features for C Ike Naar <ike@iceland.freeshell.org> - 2018-05-12 18:00 +0000
                Re: C++ features for C bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-05-12 20:31 +0100
                Re: C++ features for C David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-05-13 16:57 +0200
                Re: C++ features for C bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-05-13 17:14 +0100
                Re: C++ features for C supercat@casperkitty.com - 2018-05-13 11:38 -0700
                Re: C++ features for C bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-05-13 19:52 +0100
                Re: C++ features for C David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-05-13 21:18 +0200
                Re: C++ features for C Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-13 12:35 -0700
                Re: C++ features for C bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-05-13 21:22 +0100
                Re: C++ features for C mark.bluemel@gmail.com - 2018-05-14 00:49 -0700
                Re: C++ features for C Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-14 01:05 -0700
                Re: C++ features for C David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-05-14 10:14 +0200
                Re: C++ features for C bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-05-14 11:43 +0100
                Re: C++ features for C bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-05-14 12:05 +0100
                Re: C++ features for C Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2018-05-14 09:19 -0700
                Re: C++ features for C bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-05-14 17:29 +0100
                Re: C++ features for C David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-05-14 13:24 +0200
                Re: C++ features for C bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-05-14 14:07 +0100
                Re: C++ features for C David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-05-14 16:19 +0200
                Re: C++ features for C mark.bluemel@gmail.com - 2018-05-14 07:49 -0700
                Re: C++ features for C Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-14 08:07 -0700
                Re: C++ features for C Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2018-05-13 13:20 -0700
                Re: C++ features for C David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-05-14 10:47 +0200
                Re: C++ features for C Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2018-05-14 10:35 -0700
                Re: C++ features for C David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-05-15 09:10 +0200
                Re: C++ features for C Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2018-05-15 08:53 -0700
            Re: C++ features for C Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2018-05-13 08:19 +1200
              Re: C++ features for C scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2018-05-13 17:44 +0000
            Re: C++ features for C supercat@casperkitty.com - 2018-05-12 13:33 -0700
            Re: C++ features for C bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-05-13 22:56 +0100
              Re: C++ features for C supercat@casperkitty.com - 2018-05-13 15:18 -0700
                Re: C++ features for C bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-05-13 23:41 +0100
                Re: C++ features for C David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-05-14 12:05 +0200
                Re: C++ features for C Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-14 04:30 -0700
                Re: C++ features for C supercat@casperkitty.com - 2018-05-14 08:31 -0700
                Re: C++ features for C Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-14 08:39 -0700
                Re: C++ features for C bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-05-14 17:21 +0100
                Re: C++ features for C supercat@casperkitty.com - 2018-05-14 09:33 -0700
                Re: C++ features for C bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-05-14 17:55 +0100
                Re: C++ features for C supercat@casperkitty.com - 2018-05-14 11:26 -0700
                Re: C++ features for C bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-05-14 20:24 +0100
                Re: C++ features for C Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2018-05-14 13:07 -0700
              Re: C++ features for C Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2018-05-13 15:28 -0700
                Re: C++ features for C bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-05-13 23:43 +0100
                Re: C++ features for C mark.bluemel@gmail.com - 2018-05-14 00:50 -0700
                Re: C++ features for C David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-05-14 12:37 +0200
          Re: C++ features for C Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2018-05-13 08:32 +1200
            Re: C++ features for C bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-05-12 22:48 +0100
              Re: C++ features for C Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2018-05-13 10:08 +1200
                Re: C++ features for C bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-05-13 00:00 +0100
                Re: C++ features for C bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-05-13 00:35 +0100
                Re: C++ features for C Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2018-05-13 12:24 +1200
                Re: C++ features for C bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-05-13 01:37 +0100
                Re: C++ features for C Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2018-05-13 13:30 +1200
                Re: C++ features for C David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-05-13 17:57 +0200
                Re: C++ features for C bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-05-13 17:31 +0100
                Re: C++ features for C David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-05-13 21:34 +0200
                Re: C++ features for C supercat@casperkitty.com - 2018-05-13 11:11 -0700
                Re: C++ features for C bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-05-13 19:41 +0100
                Re: C++ features for C David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-05-13 21:42 +0200
                Re: C++ features for C supercat@casperkitty.com - 2018-05-13 13:09 -0700
                Re: C++ features for C David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-05-14 12:41 +0200
                Re: C++ features for C Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2018-05-14 14:25 +0100
              Re: C++ features for C supercat@casperkitty.com - 2018-05-12 15:36 -0700
                Re: C++ features for C Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-13 12:05 -0700
              Re: C++ features for C Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2018-05-12 15:53 -0700
                Re: C++ features for C bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-05-13 00:14 +0100
                Re: C++ features for C Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2018-05-12 18:05 -0700
                Re: C++ features for C David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-05-13 21:59 +0200
                Re: C++ features for C supercat@casperkitty.com - 2018-05-13 13:23 -0700
                Re: C++ features for C bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-05-13 22:05 +0100
                Re: C++ features for C David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-05-14 12:55 +0200
                Re: C++ features for C David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-05-14 12:57 +0200
                Re: C++ features for C Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2018-05-14 10:57 -0700
                Re: C++ features for C David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-05-15 09:14 +0200
                Re: C++ features for C Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2018-05-13 14:10 -0700
              Re: C++ features for C David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-05-13 17:31 +0200
            Re: C++ features for C Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2018-05-14 10:19 -0700
              Re: C++ features for C Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2018-05-15 08:06 +1200
                Re: C++ features for C Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2018-05-14 13:20 -0700
                Re: C++ features for C Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2018-05-14 13:46 -0700
                Re: C++ features for C Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2018-05-14 14:12 -0700
                Re: C++ features for C Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2018-05-14 14:27 -0700
                Re: C++ features for C supercat@casperkitty.com - 2018-05-14 15:21 -0700
                Re: C++ features for C Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-14 15:24 -0700
                Re: C++ features for C David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-05-15 09:26 +0200
                Re: C++ features for C bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-05-15 11:28 +0100
                Re: C++ features for C David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-05-15 13:18 +0200
                Re: C++ features for C Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2018-05-15 12:23 +0100
                Re: C++ features for C bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-05-15 13:27 +0100
                Re: C++ features for C Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2018-05-15 16:19 +0100
                Re: C++ features for C Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-15 08:29 -0700
                Re: C++ features for C bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-05-15 17:18 +0100
                Re: C++ features for C Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2018-05-15 10:23 -0700
                Re: C++ features for C bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-05-15 19:23 +0100
                Re: C++ features for C Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2018-05-15 11:59 -0700
                Re: C++ features for C bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-05-15 20:20 +0100
                Re: C++ features for C Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2018-05-15 12:56 -0700
                Re: C++ features for C bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-05-15 21:01 +0100
                Re: C++ features for C Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2018-05-15 13:15 -0700
                Re: C++ features for C bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-05-15 22:36 +0100
                Re: C++ features for C Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2018-05-15 14:59 -0700
                Re: C++ features for C bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-05-15 23:54 +0100
                Re: C++ features for C Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2018-05-15 16:18 -0700
                Re: C++ features for C bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-05-16 00:40 +0100
                Re: C++ features for C Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2018-05-15 17:25 -0700
                Re: C++ features for C bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-05-16 01:32 +0100
                Re: C++ features for C scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2018-05-16 14:32 +0000
                Re: C++ features for C Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-16 07:41 -0700
                Re: C++ features for C Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-15 21:13 -0700
                Re: C++ features for C supercat@casperkitty.com - 2018-05-16 07:51 -0700
                Re: C++ features for C bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-05-16 18:09 +0100
                Re: C++ features for C supercat@casperkitty.com - 2018-05-16 13:22 -0700
                Re: C++ features for C David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-05-16 09:15 +0200
                Re: C++ features for C Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-16 00:39 -0700
                Re: C++ features for C supercat@casperkitty.com - 2018-05-16 08:31 -0700
                Re: C++ features for C David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-05-17 15:00 +0200
                Re: C++ features for C supercat@casperkitty.com - 2018-05-17 08:07 -0700
                Re: C++ features for C Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-18 05:04 -0700
                Re: C++ features for C Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2018-05-17 09:07 -0700
                Re: C++ features for C supercat@casperkitty.com - 2018-05-17 10:33 -0700
                Re: C++ features for C scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2018-05-17 18:04 +0000
                Re: C++ features for C supercat@casperkitty.com - 2018-05-17 13:15 -0700
                Re: C++ features for C Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2018-05-17 14:07 -0700
                Re: C++ features for C supercat@casperkitty.com - 2018-05-17 15:40 -0700
                Re: C++ features for C Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2018-05-17 16:28 -0700
                Re: C++ features for C supercat@casperkitty.com - 2018-05-18 09:17 -0700
                Re: C++ features for C Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2018-05-18 10:36 -0700
                Re: C++ features for C supercat@casperkitty.com - 2018-05-18 11:41 -0700
                Re: C++ features for C Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-19 14:16 -0700
                Re: C++ features for C Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2018-05-18 19:54 -0400
                Re: C++ features for C David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-05-17 20:39 +0200
                Re: C++ features for C Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2018-05-17 12:37 -0700
                Re: C++ features for C Ike Naar <ike@iceland.freeshell.org> - 2018-05-17 19:54 +0000
                Re: C++ features for C Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2018-05-17 13:39 -0700
                Re: C++ features for C David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-05-17 22:48 +0200
                Re: C++ features for C David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-05-17 22:47 +0200
                Re: C++ features for C Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2018-05-17 14:13 -0700
                Re: C++ features for C David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-05-18 10:10 +0200
                Re: C++ features for C David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-05-18 17:55 +0200
                Re: C++ features for C Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-18 08:59 -0700
                Re: C++ features for C supercat@casperkitty.com - 2018-05-18 10:17 -0700
                Re: C++ features for C "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid> - 2018-05-15 15:56 -0700
                Re: C++ features for C "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid> - 2018-05-15 15:59 -0700
                Re: C++ features for C supercat@casperkitty.com - 2018-05-15 15:15 -0700
                Re: C++ features for C Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2018-05-15 15:58 -0700
                Re: C++ features for C Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-15 16:48 -0700
                Re: C++ features for C gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2018-05-15 20:37 +0000
                Re: C++ features for C supercat@casperkitty.com - 2018-05-15 13:46 -0700
                Re: C++ features for C Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-15 14:43 -0700
                Re: C++ features for C Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2018-05-15 09:17 -0700
                Re: C++ features for C bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-05-15 18:20 +0100
                Re: C++ features for C scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2018-05-15 17:38 +0000
                Re: C++ features for C Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2018-05-15 11:13 -0700
                Re: C++ features for C Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-15 06:40 -0700
                Re: C++ features for C Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2018-05-15 09:12 -0700
                Re: C++ features for C Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-15 03:33 -0700
                Re: C++ features for C Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2018-05-15 09:09 -0700
                Re: C++ features for C David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-05-15 23:45 +0200
                Re: C++ features for C Ike Naar <ike@iceland.freeshell.org> - 2018-05-17 18:49 +0000
                Re: C++ features for C David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-05-17 22:49 +0200
  Re: C++ features for C Chad <cdalten@gmail.com> - 2018-05-11 15:46 -0700
    Re: C++ features for C supercat@casperkitty.com - 2018-05-11 16:13 -0700
  Re: C++ features for C Andrey Tarasevich <andreytarasevich@hotmail.com> - 2018-05-11 16:52 -0700
    Re: C++ features for C Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2018-05-11 16:56 -0700

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