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Re: EINSTEIN’S TRAIN GEDANKEN PROVED THAT SIMULTAN EITY IS ABSOLUTE

From Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Newsgroups sci.physics.relativity
Subject Re: EINSTEIN’S TRAIN GEDANKEN PROVED THAT SIMULTAN EITY IS ABSOLUTE
Date 2018-04-25 13:35 +0000
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kenseto <setoken@att.net> wrote:
> On Tuesday, April 24, 2018 at 8:43:20 PM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>> kenseto <setoken@att.net> wrote:
>>> On Tuesday, April 24, 2018 at 2:13:54 PM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>> kenseto <setoken@att.net> wrote:
>>>>> On Tuesday, April 24, 2018 at 12:27:57 PM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>>>> Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Tuesday, April 24, 2018 at 9:24:34 AM UTC-6, kenseto wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 1. M is at the embankment.
>>>>>>>> 2. M’ is at the middle of the train.
>>>>>>>> 3. Lightning strikes when M’ is coincided with M.
>>>>>>>> 4. M saw the light fronts from the strikes arrives at him simultaneously.
>>>>>>>> 5. M measures the distance from the strike marks and found it to be equal
>>>>>>>> to L. Therefore he concluded that the strikes happened simultaneously.
>>>>>>>> 6. Based on what M saw M’ must also see that the light fronts arrive at
>>>>>>>> [Bull plop deleted]
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Gedankens can't "prove" anything, Ken.  You can set them up with whatever
>>>>>>> assertions you want.  It's circular reasoning.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Including here where he assumed absolute simultaneity to prove absolute
>>>>>> simultaneity. Not that this will make a dent. Ken hasn’t been able to think
>>>>>> his way out of a paper bag for some years now. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> I assumed no such thing. The gedanken specified that the strikes happened
>>>>> when M and M’ are concided with each other. Both M and M’ are at equal
>>>>> distance from the marks of the strikes. The speed of light is isotropic
>>>>> in the embankment and inside the train. With these specifications if M
>>>>> sees the flashes to be simultaneous then M‘ must also sees the flashes
>>>>> to be simultaneous.
>>>> 
>>>> And that is obviously wrong. And the gedanken points out that this is
>>>> wrong. Since the strikes were not simultaneous in S’ (only in S) then light
>>>> speed’s isotropy and the equidistance of M’ from the strikes will require
>>>> that the light will arrive at M’ nonsimultaneously. 
>>> 
>>> No what I said is not wrong. Light speed’s isotropy and the equidistance
>>> of M’ from the strikes will require
>>> that the light will arrive at M’ simultaneously.  
>> 
>> No Ken that’s wrong. Einstein showed that those two things imply the
>> opposite, and you just don’t understand the logic. 
> 
> You are wrong. What Einstein showed is wrong as follows:
> 1. M asserts that M’ have different closing speeds between M’ and the
> light fronts from the ends of the train. Clearly this is wrong because
> the speed of light in the train is isotropic.

Mistake is yours. Light speed and closing speed are two different things,
as different as velocity and acceleration.  

> 2. Both M and M’  are at equal footing. So you can’t say that M saw M’
> moving wrt the light fronts from the ends of the train.

And M’ saw M moving wrt light fronts. Equal footing. 

> 3. In any case why can’t we say that M’ sees the light front arrive at
> him simultaneously and he said that M is moving wrt the light fronts from
> the strike marks and thus M will not see the light fronts arrive at him simultaneously.

Because that’s not what M observes. You’re making up an observation that
doesn’t happen. As I said earlier, gedankens don’t  prove anything.
Observation is what matters. 

> 
> 
> 
> 
> wrong
> 



-- 
Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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EINSTEIN’S TRAIN GEDANKEN PROVED THAT SIMULTANEITY IS ABSOLUTE kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-04-24 08:24 -0700
  Re: EINSTEIN’S TRAIN GEDANKEN PROVED THAT SIMULTANEITY IS ABSOLUTE Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-04-24 09:07 -0700
    Re: EINSTEIN’S TRAIN GEDANKEN PROVED THAT SIMULTANEITY IS ABSOLUTE kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-04-24 09:27 -0700
      Re: EINSTEIN’S TRAIN GEDANKEN PROVED THAT SIMULTAN EITY IS ABSOLUTE Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-04-24 16:30 +0000
        Re: EINSTEIN’S TRAIN GEDANKEN PROVED THAT SIMULTAN EITY IS ABSOLUTE kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-04-24 10:19 -0700
          Re: EINSTEIN’S TRAIN GEDANKEN PROVED THAT SIMULTAN EITY IS ABSOLUTE Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-04-24 18:13 +0000
            Re: EINSTEIN’S TRAIN GEDANKEN PROVED THAT SIMULTAN EITY IS ABSOLUTE mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-04-24 11:30 -0700
            Re: EINSTEIN’S TRAIN GEDANKEN PROVED THAT SIMULTAN EITY IS ABSOLUTE kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-04-24 13:55 -0700
      Re: EINSTEIN’S TRAIN GEDANKEN PROVED THAT SIMULTANEITY IS ABSOLUTE Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-04-24 09:31 -0700
        Re: EINSTEIN’S TRAIN GEDANKEN PROVED THAT SIMULTANEITY IS ABSOLUTE kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-04-24 10:22 -0700
          Re: EINSTEIN’S TRAIN GEDANKEN PROVED THAT SIMULTANEITY IS ABSOLUTE Python <python@python.invalid> - 2018-04-24 19:25 +0200
          Re: EINSTEIN’S TRAIN GEDANKEN PROVED THAT SIMULTANEITY IS ABSOLUTE Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-04-24 10:31 -0700
          Re: EINSTEIN’S TRAIN GEDANKEN PROVED THAT SIMULTAN EITY IS ABSOLUTE Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-04-24 18:13 +0000
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      Re: EINSTEIN’S TRAIN GEDANKEN PROVED THAT SIMULTANEITY IS ABSOLUTE Python <python@python.invalid> - 2018-04-24 18:34 +0200
        Re: EINSTEIN’S TRAIN GEDANKEN PROVED THAT SIMULTANEITY IS ABSOLUTE kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-04-24 10:39 -0700
          Re: EINSTEIN’S TRAIN GEDANKEN PROVED THAT SIMULTANEITY IS ABSOLUTE Python <python@python.invalid> - 2018-04-24 19:42 +0200
      Re: EINSTEIN’S TRAIN GEDANKEN PROVED THAT SIMULTANEITY IS ABSOLUTE "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2018-04-24 21:40 +0200
        Re: EINSTEIN’S TRAIN GEDANKEN PROVED THAT SIMULTANEITY IS ABSOLUTE kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-04-24 14:22 -0700
    Re: EINSTEIN’S TRAIN GEDANKEN PROVED THAT SIMULTAN EITY IS ABSOLUTE Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-04-24 16:27 +0000
      Re: EINSTEIN’S TRAIN GEDANKEN PROVED THAT SIMULTAN EITY IS ABSOLUTE kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-04-24 10:14 -0700
        Re: EINSTEIN’S TRAIN GEDANKEN PROVED THAT SIMULTAN EITY IS ABSOLUTE Python <python@python.invalid> - 2018-04-24 19:21 +0200
        Re: EINSTEIN’S TRAIN GEDANKEN PROVED THAT SIMULTAN EITY IS ABSOLUTE Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-04-24 18:13 +0000
          Re: EINSTEIN’S TRAIN GEDANKEN PROVED THAT SIMULTAN EITY IS ABSOLUTE kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-04-24 13:50 -0700
            Re: EINSTEIN’S TRAIN GEDANKEN PROVED THAT SIMULTAN EITY IS ABSOLUTE Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-04-25 00:43 +0000
              Re: EINSTEIN’S TRAIN GEDANKEN PROVED THAT SIMULTAN EITY IS ABSOLUTE mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-04-24 21:29 -0700
              Re: EINSTEIN’S TRAIN GEDANKEN PROVED THAT SIMULTAN EITY IS ABSOLUTE kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-04-25 04:44 -0700
                Re: EINSTEIN’S TRAIN GEDANKEN PROVED THAT SIMULTAN EITY IS ABSOLUTE Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-04-25 06:12 -0700
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                Re: EINSTEIN’S TRAIN GEDANKEN PROVED THAT SIMULTAN EITY IS ABSOLUTE Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-04-25 06:38 -0700
                Re: EINSTEIN’S TRAIN GEDANKEN PROVED THAT SIMULTAN EITY IS ABSOLUTE kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-04-25 07:17 -0700
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                Re: EINSTEIN’S TRAIN GEDANKEN PROVED THAT SIMULTAN EITY IS ABSOLUTE kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-04-25 11:36 -0700
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                Re: EINSTEIN’S TRAIN GEDANKEN PROVED THAT SIMULTAN EITY IS ABSOLUTE kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-04-25 11:35 -0700
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                Re: EINSTEIN’S TRAIN GEDANKEN PROVED THAT SIMULTAN EITY IS ABSOLUTE kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-04-25 14:06 -0700
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                Re: EINSTEIN’S TRAIN GEDANKEN PROVED THAT SIMULTAN EITY IS ABSOLUTE kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-04-25 14:28 -0700
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                Re: EINSTEIN’S TRAIN GEDANKEN PROVED THAT SIMULTAN EITY IS ABSOLUTE mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-04-25 21:34 -0700
                Re: EINSTEIN’S TRAIN GEDANKEN PROVED THAT SIMULTAN EITY IS ABSOLUTE kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-04-26 16:50 -0700
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                Re: EINSTEIN’S TRAIN GEDANKEN PROVED THAT SIMULTAN EITY IS ABSOLUTE kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-04-28 05:55 -0700
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                Re: EINSTEIN’S TRAIN GEDANKEN PROVED THAT SIMULTAN EITY IS ABSOLUTE mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-04-28 08:53 -0700
                Re: EINSTEIN’S TRAIN GEDANKEN PROVED THAT SIMULTAN EITY IS ABSOLUTE kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-04-29 06:03 -0700
                Re: Re: EINSTEIN’S TRAIN GEDANKEN PROVED THAT SIMULTAN EITY IS ABSOLUTE moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-04-28 16:22 +0000
                Re: EINSTEIN’S TRAIN GEDANKEN PROVED THAT SIMULTAN EITY IS ABSOLUTE Steve BH <sbharris@gmail.com> - 2018-04-28 13:23 -0700
                Re: EINSTEIN’S TRAIN GEDANKEN PROVED THAT SIMULTAN EITY IS ABSOLUTE Steve BH <sbharris@gmail.com> - 2018-04-28 14:04 -0700
                Re: EINSTEIN’S TRAIN GEDANKEN PROVED THAT SIMULTAN EITY IS ABSOLUTE "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-28 16:50 -0700
                Re: EINSTEIN’S TRAIN GEDANKEN PROVED THAT SIMULTAN EITY IS ABSOLUTE kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-04-29 06:11 -0700
                Re: EINSTEIN’S TRAIN GEDANKEN PROVED THAT SIMULTAN EITY IS ABSOLUTE Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-04-29 18:40 +0000
                Re: EINSTEIN’S TRAIN GEDANKEN PROVED THAT SIMULTAN EITY IS ABSOLUTE kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-04-30 05:53 -0700
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                Re: EINSTEIN’S TRAIN GEDANKEN PROVED THAT SIMULTAN EITY IS ABSOLUTE Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-05-01 12:39 +0000
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                Re: EINSTEIN’S TRAIN GEDANKEN PROVED THAT SIMULTAN EITY IS ABSOLUTE Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-05-03 15:32 +0000
                Re: EINSTEIN’S TRAIN GEDANKEN PROVED THAT SIMULTAN EITY IS ABSOLUTE kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-05-03 10:59 -0700
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                Re: EINSTEIN’S TRAIN GEDANKEN PROVED THAT SIMULTAN EITY IS ABSOLUTE Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-05-04 07:18 -0700
                Re: EINSTEIN’S TRAIN GEDANKEN PROVED THAT SIMULTAN EITY IS ABSOLUTE kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-05-05 05:50 -0700
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                Re: EINSTEIN’S TRAIN GEDANKEN PROVED THAT SIMULTAN EITY IS ABSOLUTE kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-05-11 08:15 -0700
                Re: EINSTEIN’S TRAIN GEDANKEN PROVED THAT SIMULTAN EITY IS ABSOLUTE Adam Stefaniak <adam.stefaniak@hotmail.co.uk> - 2018-05-11 08:38 -0700
                Re: EINSTEIN’S TRAIN GEDANKEN PROVED THAT SIMULTAN EITY IS ABSOLUTE kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-05-11 08:47 -0700
                Re: EINSTEIN’S TRAIN GEDANKEN PROVED THAT SIMULTAN EITY IS ABSOLUTE Adam Stefaniak <adam.stefaniak@hotmail.co.uk> - 2018-05-11 08:52 -0700
                Re: EINSTEIN’S TRAIN GEDANKEN PROVED THAT SIMULTAN EITY IS ABSOLUTE kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-05-11 08:58 -0700
                Re: EINSTEIN’S TRAIN GEDANKEN PROVED THAT SIMULTAN EITY IS ABSOLUTE Adam Stefaniak <adam.stefaniak@hotmail.co.uk> - 2018-05-11 09:02 -0700
                Re: EINSTEIN’S TRAIN GEDANKEN PROVED THAT SIMULTAN EITY IS ABSOLUTE kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-05-11 15:18 -0700
                Re: EINSTEIN’S TRAIN GEDANKEN PROVED THAT SIMULTAN EITY IS ABSOLUTE rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-05-11 20:00 -0700
                Re: EINSTEIN’S TRAIN GEDANKEN PROVED THAT SIMULTAN EITY IS ABSOLUTE Otto Wahl <tlow@wtiwor.oc> - 2018-05-12 10:52 +0000
                Re: EINSTEIN’S TRAIN GEDANKEN PROVED THAT SIMULTAN EITY IS ABSOLUTE kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-05-12 05:39 -0700
                Re: EINSTEIN’S TRAIN GEDANKEN PROVED THAT SIMULTAN EITY IS ABSOLUTE rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-05-12 07:05 -0700
                Re: EINSTEIN’S TRAIN GEDANKEN PROVED THAT SIMULTAN EITY IS ABSOLUTE kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-05-12 07:16 -0700
                Re: EINSTEIN’S TRAIN GEDANKEN PROVED THAT SIMULTAN EITY IS ABSOLUTE rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-05-12 08:07 -0700
                Re: EINSTEIN’S TRAIN GEDANKEN PROVED THAT SIMULTAN EITY IS ABSOLUTE Otto Wahl <tlow@wtiwor.oc> - 2018-05-12 10:48 +0000
                Re: EINSTEIN’S TRAIN GEDANKEN PROVED THAT SIMULTAN EITY IS ABSOLUTE rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-05-11 07:57 -0700
                Re: EINSTEIN’S TRAIN GEDANKEN PROVED THAT SIMULTAN EITY IS ABSOLUTE Steve BH <sbharris@gmail.com> - 2018-05-07 14:53 -0700
                Re: EINSTEIN’S TRAIN GEDANKEN PROVED THAT SIMULTAN EITY IS ABSOLUTE mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-05-08 04:58 -0700
                Re: EINSTEIN’S TRAIN GEDANKEN PROVED THAT SIMULTAN EITY IS ABSOLUTE Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-05-09 04:48 +0000
                Re: EINSTEIN’S TRAIN GEDANKEN PROVED THAT SIMULTAN EITY IS ABSOLUTE kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-05-06 07:02 -0700
                Re: EINSTEIN’S TRAIN GEDANKEN PROVED THAT SIMULTAN EITY IS ABSOLUTE rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-05-06 07:22 -0700
                Re: EINSTEIN’S TRAIN GEDANKEN PROVED THAT SIMULTAN EITY IS ABSOLUTE Steve BH <sbharris@gmail.com> - 2018-05-06 16:42 -0700
                Re: EINSTEIN’S TRAIN GEDANKEN PROVED THAT SIMULTAN EITY IS ABSOLUTE Steve BH <sbharris@gmail.com> - 2018-05-05 10:04 -0700
                Re: EINSTEIN’S TRAIN GEDANKEN PROVED THAT SIMULTAN EITY IS ABSOLUTE "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-05-05 10:54 -0700
                Re: EINSTEIN’S TRAIN GEDANKEN PROVED THAT SIMULTAN EITY IS ABSOLUTE "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-05-05 11:01 -0700
                Re: EINSTEIN’S TRAIN GEDANKEN PROVED THAT SIMULTAN EITY IS ABSOLUTE Steve BH <sbharris@gmail.com> - 2018-05-05 12:21 -0700
                Re: EINSTEIN’S TRAIN GEDANKEN PROVED THAT SIMULTAN EITY IS ABSOLUTE "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-05-05 13:06 -0700
                Re: EINSTEIN’S TRAIN GEDANKEN PROVED THAT SIMULTAN EITY IS ABSOLUTE "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-05-05 13:12 -0700
                Re: EINSTEIN’S TRAIN GEDANKEN PROVED THAT SIMULTAN EITY IS ABSOLUTE Steve BH <sbharris@gmail.com> - 2018-05-05 20:25 -0700
                Re: EINSTEIN’S TRAIN GEDANKEN PROVED THAT SIMULTAN EITY IS ABSOLUTE "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-05-06 07:31 -0700
                Re: EINSTEIN’S TRAIN GEDANKEN PROVED THAT SIMULTAN EITY IS ABSOLUTE "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-05-06 07:54 -0700
                Re: EINSTEIN’S TRAIN GEDANKEN PROVED THAT SIMULTAN EITY IS ABSOLUTE "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-05-06 09:05 -0700
                Re: EINSTEIN’S TRAIN GEDANKEN PROVED THAT SIMULTAN EITY IS ABSOLUTE kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-05-06 06:30 -0700
                Re: Re: EINSTEIN’S TRAIN GEDANKEN PROVED THAT SIMULTAN EITY IS ABSOLUTE moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-05-02 15:46 +0000
                Re: Re: EINSTEIN’S TRAIN GEDANKEN PROVED THAT SIMULTAN EITY IS ABSOLUTE moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-05-01 16:24 +0000
                Re: EINSTEIN’S TRAIN GEDANKEN PROVED THAT SIMULTAN EITY IS ABSOLUTE Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-04-30 13:12 -0700
                Re: EINSTEIN’S TRAIN GEDANKEN PROVED THAT SIMULTAN EITY IS ABSOLUTE kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-05-01 05:17 -0700
                Re: EINSTEIN’S TRAIN GEDANKEN PROVED THAT SIMULTAN EITY IS ABSOLUTE Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-05-01 09:48 -0700
                Re: EINSTEIN’S TRAIN GEDANKEN PROVED THAT SIMULTAN EITY IS ABSOLUTE kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-05-02 08:07 -0700
                Re: Re: EINSTEIN’S TRAIN GEDANKEN PROVED THAT SIMULTAN EITY IS ABSOLUTE moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-04-30 15:37 +0000
                Re: EINSTEIN’S TRAIN GEDANKEN PROVED THAT SIMULTAN EITY IS ABSOLUTE Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-04-30 13:29 +0000
                Re: EINSTEIN’S TRAIN GEDANKEN PROVED THAT SIMULTAN EITY IS ABSOLUTE mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-04-30 09:09 -0700
                Re: EINSTEIN’S TRAIN GEDANKEN PROVED THAT SIMULTAN EITY IS ABSOLUTE mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-04-25 11:42 -0700
                Re: EINSTEIN’S TRAIN GEDANKEN PROVED THAT SIMULTAN EITY IS ABSOLUTE Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-04-25 13:35 +0000
                Re: EINSTEIN’S TRAIN GEDANKEN PROVED THAT SIMULTAN EITY IS ABSOLUTE kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-04-25 07:22 -0700
                Re: EINSTEIN’S TRAIN GEDANKEN PROVED THAT SIMULTAN EITY IS ABSOLUTE Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-04-25 14:29 +0000
                Re: EINSTEIN’S TRAIN GEDANKEN PROVED THAT SIMULTAN EITY IS ABSOLUTE kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-04-25 07:52 -0700
                Re: EINSTEIN’S TRAIN GEDANKEN PROVED THAT SIMULTAN EITY IS ABSOLUTE Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-04-25 15:08 +0000
                Re: EINSTEIN’S TRAIN GEDANKEN PROVED THAT SIMULTAN EITY IS ABSOLUTE kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-04-25 11:41 -0700
                Re: EINSTEIN’S TRAIN GEDANKEN PROVED THAT SIMULTAN EITY IS ABSOLUTE Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-04-25 19:59 +0000
                Re: EINSTEIN’S TRAIN GEDANKEN PROVED THAT SIMULTAN EITY IS ABSOLUTE mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-04-25 11:44 -0700
          Re: EINSTEIN’S TRAIN GEDANKEN PROVED THAT SIMULTAN EITY IS ABSOLUTE kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-04-24 13:51 -0700
            Re: EINSTEIN’S TRAIN GEDANKEN PROVED THAT SIMULTAN EITY IS ABSOLUTE Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-04-25 00:47 +0000
              Re: EINSTEIN’S TRAIN GEDANKEN PROVED THAT SIMULTAN EITY IS ABSOLUTE mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-04-24 21:29 -0700
              Re: EINSTEIN’S TRAIN GEDANKEN PROVED THAT SIMULTAN EITY IS ABSOLUTE kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-04-25 04:56 -0700
                Re: EINSTEIN’S TRAIN GEDANKEN PROVED THAT SIMULTAN EITY IS ABSOLUTE Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-04-25 13:35 +0000
          Re: EINSTEIN’S TRAIN GEDANKEN PROVED THAT SIMULTAN EITY IS ABSOLUTE Steve BH <sbharris@gmail.com> - 2018-04-24 14:31 -0700
    Re: EINSTEIN’S TRAIN GEDANKEN PROVED THAT SIMULTANEITY IS ABSOLUTE "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2018-04-24 21:20 +0200
  Re: EINSTEIN’S TRAIN GEDANKEN PROVED THAT SIMULTANEITY IS ABSOLUTE "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2018-04-24 21:17 +0200
    Re: EINSTEIN’S TRAIN GEDANKEN PROVED THAT SIMULTANEITY IS ABSOLUTE kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-04-24 14:13 -0700
  Re: EINSTEIN’S TRAIN GEDANKEN PROVED THAT SIMULTANEITY IS ABSOLUTE Steve BH <sbharris@gmail.com> - 2018-04-24 17:09 -0700
    Re: EINSTEIN’S TRAIN GEDANKEN PROVED THAT SIMULTANEITY IS ABSOLUTE kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-04-25 05:25 -0700
  Re: EINSTEIN’S TRAIN GEDANKEN PROVED THAT SIMULTANEITY IS ABSOLUTE Steve BH <sbharris@gmail.com> - 2018-04-24 17:10 -0700
    Re: EINSTEIN’S TRAIN GEDANKEN PROVED THAT SIMULTANEITY IS ABSOLUTE JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-04-24 17:20 -0700
      Re: EINSTEIN’S TRAIN GEDANKEN PROVED THAT SIMULTANEITY IS ABSOLUTE Steve BH <sbharris@gmail.com> - 2018-04-24 17:27 -0700
        Re: EINSTEIN’S TRAIN GEDANKEN PROVED THAT SIMULTANEITY IS ABSOLUTE kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-04-25 05:33 -0700
      Re: EINSTEIN’S TRAIN GEDANKEN PROVED THAT SIMULTANEITY IS ABSOLUTE kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-04-25 04:49 -0700
  Re: EINSTEIN’S TRAIN GEDANKEN PROVED THAT SIMULTANEITY IS ABSOLUTE letitside1234@gmail.com - 2018-05-07 14:15 -0700

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