Re: Black Hole Event Horizon

From	Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Newsgroups	sci.physics
Subject	Re: Black Hole Event Horizon
Date	2018-03-28 21:42 +0000
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john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote:
> Odd
> "
> Right. There’s no problem. The period of Halley’s Comet is fixed. It’s 
> speed is completely different on either side of its orbit. Where. Is. The. 
> Problem?? 
> 
> Pretty sure stars don't follow ellipses.

And you’re wrong. Again, this has been explained to you at least a half a
dozen times and you cannot seem to absorb it. The most common path for a
star in a galaxy is an elliptical path. This is part of how spiral arms
form in the first place. A YouTube clip was given to you that shows exactly
that — stars in elliptical orbits generating the spiral arms. It is also
how stars migrate from one arm to another, which is also OBSERVED, though
you have it fixed in your calcified brain that stars are permanent
residents of the arm you see them in now; they are NOT. 

> Plus- measurements on opposite sides of the galaxy were made at the same radii.

John, think about this for a second — WHY does a comet travel faster on one
side of its orbit compared to the other? What is the PHYSICAL REASON for
the change in speed?

> But don't let facts get in the way, Odd, please.
> 
> Well, forget stars.
> There are these magnetic structures associated with the ARMS, themselves.

There are magnetic fields associated with the arms, yes. They are not
static structures. Your word choice is biased and misleading. 

I’m going to suggest an experiment for you that might help you figure this
out. 
Put a line of buoys from the shore out into the ocean, every few feet for
about a mile. Each one of them will have a battery and a current loop, so
that each one generates a magnetic field above the buoy. You’re going to
sit in a hot air balloon, hovering about 60 feet above the ocean. You
notice that if a buoy rises, the magnetometer in the balloon basket shows
an increase in the magnetic field. This doesn’t surprise you because the
buoy is closer. You also notice that as a wave washes past a buoy, the buoy
gets pushed first closer to shore and then further from shore. This again
doesn’t surprise you because you know that water waves push buoys in a
circular motion, like this: https://goo.gl/images/pXPtos and so you notice
that buoys first bunch together as a wave passes and then space out in
between, just like air molecules do in a sound wave, and this bunching
together also makes the magnetometer reading increase when the wave passes
by. So what you can confirm in a direct measurement is that the magnetic
field gets stronger as a wave washes by, under your balloon, and you know
why. Now notice that NONE of the buoys are permanent residents of any wave.
The wave is not made up of any fixed collection of buoys. The buoys move
around, but they pass from one water wave to the next. This is all
something you can OBSERVE.

Now then, John, is it so hard to understand how stars are like the buoys,
and the galactic arms are like the waves, and the magnetic field is
stronger where the waves are though the stars move from one wave to the
next? Is it so hard to understand that the magnetic field that is stronger
around the passing waves in no way binds the buoy to travel a mile from
ocean to shore, even though the wave does?

THINK, John, THINK!!!

> Do they rotate as a unit? Every billion years?
> 

-- 
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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Black Hole Event Horizon "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2018-03-24 14:41 -0700
  Black Hole Event Horizon john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-03-24 15:07 -0700
    Re: Black Hole Event Horizon "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2018-03-24 15:59 -0700
      Re: Black Hole Event Horizon john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-03-24 16:30 -0700
        Re: Black Hole Event Horizon moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-03-25 17:23 +0000
      Re: Black Hole Event Horizon "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2018-03-24 18:14 -0700
    Re: Black Hole Event Horizon moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-03-25 17:26 +0000
      Re: Black Hole Event Horizon john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-03-25 12:11 -0700
        Re: Black Hole Event Horizon Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-25 19:32 +0000
        Re: Black Hole Event Horizon moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-03-26 00:35 +0000
      Re: Black Hole Event Horizon john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-03-25 12:13 -0700
        Re: Black Hole Event Horizon moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-03-26 00:46 +0000
          Re: Black Hole Event Horizon john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-03-26 08:03 -0700
            Re: Black Hole Event Horizon moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-03-26 17:21 +0000
              Re: Black Hole Event Horizon john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-03-26 10:51 -0700
                Re: Black Hole Event Horizon moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-03-26 18:35 +0000
                Re: Black Hole Event Horizon john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-03-26 13:10 -0700
                Re: Black Hole Event Horizon moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-03-26 20:39 +0000
                Re: Black Hole Event Horizon john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-03-26 14:44 -0700
                Re: Black Hole Event Horizon moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-03-26 21:58 +0000
                Re: Black Hole Event Horizon john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-03-26 15:12 -0700
                Re: Black Hole Event Horizon moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-03-26 22:20 +0000
                Re: Black Hole Event Horizon john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-03-26 16:02 -0700
                Re: Black Hole Event Horizon moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-03-27 04:38 +0000
                Re: Black Hole Event Horizon john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-03-26 16:10 -0700
                Re: Black Hole Event Horizon moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-03-27 04:48 +0000
                Re: Black Hole Event Horizon john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-03-27 04:26 -0700
                Re: Black Hole Event Horizon moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-03-27 12:02 +0000
                Re: Black Hole Event Horizon john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-03-27 05:35 -0700
                Re: Black Hole Event Horizon moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-03-27 19:08 +0000
                Re: Black Hole Event Horizon john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-03-27 18:41 -0700
                Re: Black Hole Event Horizon moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-03-28 02:56 +0000
                Re: Black Hole Event Horizon "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2018-03-28 15:16 -0700
                Re: Black Hole Event Horizon Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-27 18:04 +0000
                Re: Black Hole Event Horizon moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-03-28 03:01 +0000
                Re: Black Hole Event Horizon john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-03-28 05:19 -0700
                Re: Black Hole Event Horizon Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-28 12:30 +0000
                Re: Black Hole Event Horizon john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-03-28 07:00 -0700
                Re: Black Hole Event Horizon john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-03-28 07:08 -0700
                Re: Black Hole Event Horizon Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-28 16:09 +0000
                Re: Black Hole Event Horizon john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-03-28 09:37 -0700
                Re: Black Hole Event Horizon john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-03-28 09:54 -0700
                Re: Black Hole Event Horizon moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-03-28 17:31 +0000
                Re: Black Hole Event Horizon Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-28 17:52 +0000
                Re: Black Hole Event Horizon john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-03-28 11:43 -0700
                Re: Black Hole Event Horizon Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-28 21:42 +0000
                Re: Black Hole Event Horizon john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-03-29 06:55 -0700
                Re: Black Hole Event Horizon john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-03-29 07:30 -0700
                Re: Black Hole Event Horizon Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-29 14:51 +0000
                Re: Black Hole Event Horizon john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-03-29 09:35 -0700
                Re: Black Hole Event Horizon Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-29 17:21 +0000
                Re: Black Hole Event Horizon Lofty Goat <rlwatkins@gmail.com> - 2018-03-29 21:46 -0500
                Re: Black Hole Event Horizon moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-03-29 17:40 +0000
                Re: Black Hole Event Horizon Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-29 14:43 +0000
                Re: Black Hole Event Horizon moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-03-29 17:34 +0000
                Re: Black Hole Event Horizon john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-03-28 09:58 -0700
                Re: Black Hole Event Horizon moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-03-28 17:33 +0000
                Re: Black Hole Event Horizon Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-28 17:52 +0000
                Re: Black Hole Event Horizon moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-03-28 17:29 +0000
                Re: Black Hole Event Horizon Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-28 17:52 +0000
                Re: Black Hole Event Horizon Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-03-29 10:22 -0700
                Re: Black Hole Event Horizon john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-03-29 17:24 -0700
                Re: Black Hole Event Horizon Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-03-31 19:46 -0700
                Re: Black Hole Event Horizon moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-03-28 14:46 +0000
                Re: Black Hole Event Horizon Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-28 16:09 +0000
                Re: Black Hole Event Horizon moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-03-28 12:33 +0000
                Re: Black Hole Event Horizon john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-03-28 06:24 -0700
                Re: Black Hole Event Horizon moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-03-28 14:41 +0000
                Re: Black Hole Event Horizon Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-28 16:07 +0000
  Re: Black Hole Event Horizon "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2018-03-24 18:25 -0700

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