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| From | HGW <HW@home.net> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | sci.physics.relativity |
| Subject | Re: Physics Students Revolt Against the Teaching of Relativity. |
| Date | 2018-03-04 10:04 +1100 |
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On 04/03/18 01:00, Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog wrote:
> On Saturday, March 3, 2018 at 2:51:56 AM UTC-6, HGW wrote:
>>>>
>>>> You are raving....and contact binaries do not exist.
>>>
>>> George Dishman caught you on your fraudulent hand connecting of dots.
>>>
>>> Need more jogging of your memory?
>>
>> I have no idea of what you are talking about. At least George was capable of discussing physics rationally.
>
> In the 2007 thread "Why are the 'Fixed Stars' so FIXED?", you attempted
> SEVERAL times to pass off faked luminosity/radial velocity fits to the
> overcontact binary EF Dra as successful fits by your BaTh theory to the
> available data.
>
> You briefly fooled George the first time, but he quickly wised up to the
> discrepancies in your so-called "fit", and your subsequent attempts to fake
> the data were all quickly caught.
>
> The links to the images that you and George posted are currently all dead, but
> here is a link to photometric studies of EF Draconis
> https://britastro.org/node/8756
> http://www.raa-journal.org/raa/index.php/raa/article/download/980/729
It is strange that you know so much about George Dishman. I thought he must have died or realized he was fighting a
losing battle here and went quietly away. Maybe he just changed his nickname...here was another gentleman called Minor
Crank around at that time....he changed his name quite regularly too.
> I haven't found any radial velocity references of EF Draconis that are not
> behind paywalls, and I'm sick with the flu and have no desire to drive over
> to the university.
Contact binaries do not exists. It is quite ridiculous to believe that two stars can orbit each other in half a day.
they would obviously disintegrate. These are pulsating stars, dumbbell types, that portray two different velocity curves
180 out of phase. The brightness variation is due to movements of their surfaces....one half if receding while the other
half is approaching.
> George Dishman proved that he was VASTLY more knowledgeable about ballistic
> theory than you.
Poor old George was a bright boy but sadly misguided.
He developed analytical expressions for predicted luminosity-
> radial velocity curves, so that he could calculate the predictions of emission
> theory using a simple Excel spreadsheet to double-check on your results.
He just referred to the standard equation 1/(1-Da/c^2). My programs use that because it is very fast and can accommodate
more than one mode of oscillation.
> Among the many revelations in the discussion between you and George, is the
> reason why you NEVER provide scales to your luminosity fits. You may be able
> to match the SHAPE of a variable star curve, but the AMPLITUDE of the curve
> will always be orders of magnitude off. In other words, you can match the
> shape of a Cepheid luminosity curve of amplitude, say, 2 magnitudes, but the
> amplitude of your fitted curve will be only 0.002 magnitudes.
>
> Here are some sample exchanges between you two:
> -------------------------------------------------------------
> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.physics.relativity/JgdSPMcAnrI/V8qei_P1Q3IJ
> ||| I have another curve for EF Dra that shows a small rise in the middle of
> ||| the dip. No eclipse can account for that.
> ||
> ||What is the URL?
> |
> | don't know ...but here is the curve with mine superimposed:
> | http://www.users.bigpond.com/hewn/EFdra.jpg [dead link]
>
> Just a minute Henry, isn't your curve one dip per orbit but
> you have superimposed it on a different x scale so that it
> appears to have two dips per orbit? I smell a fake!
>
> George
> -------------------------------------------------------------
> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.physics.relativity/JgdSPMcAnrI/FIeM-s-X73UJ
> | |Yes Henry, the peak of the velocity curve is half way between
> | |the eclipses, not coincident with them.
>
> | No George, have another look at:www.users.bigpond.com/hewn/efdrag.jpg [dead link]
>
> | The peak velocity curve is in phase with the peak brightness curve, which in in
> | phase with hte eclipses.
>
> I had another look Henry, it is a fake again! The top is a cut-off
> ellipse and you have then drawn a number of dots along the actual curve
> by hand.
Dots used to appear on some of these old brightness curves because of the way the timing was calculated. I wont go into
the finer details but I got around that problem eventually.
>
> Show a screen capture from your program, state the orbital parameters
> and _copy_ the curve onto a composite diagram like mine showing both
> luminosity and velocity curves with the correct relative phasing:
>
> http://www.georgedishman.f2s.com/Henri/EF_Dra.png [dead link]
>
> You are a charlatan Henry, a plain old fraud.
I remember this discussion and I did fake a velocity curve just for a joke because it matched perfectly...only 90
degrees out. . I openly admitted it soon after.
It was because of George's (and Crank's...and Paul Andersen's) persistence that I subsequently stumbled on ADoppler (or
WASH..Wilson's Acceleration SHift...and that world shattering discovery changed the whole picture.
> George
> -------------------------------------------------------------
> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.physics.relativity/JgdSPMcAnrI/Lsgu8OAsQ6MJ
> | |You are a charlatan Henry, a plain old fraud.
>
> | George, my diagram was never supposed to be accurate. It was merely
> | demonstrating the basic idea.
> | I will make a more accurate one for you if you like.
>
> You have your program for precisely this purpose.
> Use it to match the velocity curve of one star,
> post a screengrab of the green curve and the
> orbital parameters as you have before. Then add
> 180 to the yaw and scale the velocity to get the
> second star and see if you can match its velocity
> curve. Post that too. Then show how you take account
> of the reductions due to eclipsing and show the total.
> Don't sketch what you would like, instead plot the
> sum using a spreadsheet or something similar.
Have you ever seen a fast movie of a falling water droplet that is oscillating?
That is what you should try to simulate no imaginary binary stars.
> George
> -------------------------------------------------------------
It's strange how you have records of George's posts....
Maybe he isn't dead after all. He just opened a biology book and picked the first three words he saw as a new pseudonym.
It is somewhat appropriate that prokaryotes have no brains.
Now. would you please answer the more important question I asked.
Try using an oscillating machine gun rather than a star.
What would make its bullets exit the barrel at different speeds as it moves backwards and forwards....which is your
claim for light?
HGW
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