Re: conformation/validation? absolutely! :)

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### - aaaaand... another one! :)

	
Neil Brown
15 August at 08:11

I attained my first WILD last night. I'd like to share some of the  
differences between this experience and the DILDs I have had over the last  
few years.

Most accounts of hypnagogia begin with flashes of light, progressing to  
geometric shapes and then to images and scenes with increasing vividness.  
Perhaps due to over-tiredness, but within twenty seconds after closing my  
eyes I am bombarded with fully fledged scenes that draw me into  
unconscious dreaming.

Last night I weathered this barrage and found myself in the usual  
meditative state: numbness, heaviness, tingling, and sensory  
hallucinations - someone quite large suddenly sitting on the bed beside me  
(I often get this one). I remained in the state for quite some time. No  
more hypnagogia seemed to form, and I rolled over.

I'm not sure exactly what happened but I found myself half in and half out  
of a dream. An orange room opened before me, and I was standing on the  
precipice. I decided to enter and I was walking through a corridor with  
walls of roughly hewn, orange stone. Thick blues music filled the air. My  
hands were ephemeral, and I tried to focus on them; I shook my head. In my  
DILDs this lack of solidity was usually a precursor for the dream  
collapsing or me waking up. However, despite the transparency of my hands,  
the scene itself was unwavering, more so than I have experienced in any  
lucid dream before.

Unable to see an exit of any kind, and not wanting to waste time, I  
decided to walk through the wall. I put my arm through first. It was hard  
and I had to push with all my strength. I reminded myself that there was  
no wall, that it was a projection of my own mind, and my right arm  
followed with ease and then my head. Doing this previously always resulted  
in a new scene. But this wall was thick. I passed through layer after  
layer. Suddenly, something propelled me upwards at a speed I have never  
experienced. I knew I could stop my ascent but I wanted to know where it  
would take me.

I left the atmosphere, my stomach wrenching with the twists and turns but  
there was no fear. I laughed as constellations of cartoon animals flashed  
by. I have flown in DILDS many times but have always had a problem with  
heights. Every time I reached the upper stratosphere, my rational  
faculties kicked in, telling me that there was no longer any oxygen, and I  
would wake up. But not this time.

The velocity slowly decreased and I hovered in deep space for a few  
seconds, surrounded and permeated with an intense peace. Then I began to  
fall.

There was no fear, only interest, but then something screamed. It was  
bloodcurdling, and I felt terror but it was apart from me and I could  
examine it as such. I young girl, her face contorted with an insane  
blood-thirst leapt at my neck with her blacken teeth barred. I smiled and  
said, "hello". Her face transformed back to a normal girl and she faded  
into the kaleidoscopic blur of planets and stars.

I found myself standing by an aeroplane on a floating rock. There was a  
shy looking lady doing maintenance. I asked her why she was there, and she  
replied that she was there to help me. I asked her what she wanted me to  
do, and she told me to put on an old WW1 type helmet. I sat in the  
aeroplane with a rudder between my legs looking down at a tiny Earth.

Then I was back in bed.

When I wake from DILDs it is accompanied by the grogginess of sleep, but  
not this time. I was completely awake and felt I had been bodily thrown on  
the bed rather than waking from sleep.

***

haha nice first WILD + lol at these old 'dild-doers' getting waaay too  
fancy for their own good outta sheer habit alone (i.e., as in: "...but  
never embellished to the point of flying french poodles" lol)

liked his "orange room" starting point (as it was the same for me the  
first few times) + note also his discernment of some kind of obvious  
'qualitative difference' compared to what he's otherwise used to, as in:  
"However, despite the transparency of my hands, the scene itself was  
unwavering, more so than I have experienced in any lucid dream before."

which 'could' just be down to experiencing an increased lucidity  
(wakefulness) whilst WILDing as compared to dildo-ing, but which to him as  
an old dild-doer was immediately apparent... something which ultimately  
allowed him to overcome preciously learned 'fears' (of heights( for  
example: "no fear, only interest" - and which is kinda confirmed by his  
waking-up experience at the end too, of:

"When I wake from DILDs it is accompanied by the grogginess of sleep, but  
not this time. I was completely awake and felt I had been bodily thrown on  
the bed rather than waking from sleep."

his first WILD 'already' taking him well-beyond his more usual stance(es)  
and no-go areas in the dream state; bubbles he's now completely burst  
asunder just by WILDing the once! (very cool), but even so he started  
losing it towards the end by talking/listening to dream characters (old  
habits truly die hard huh...) his more mystical-type beliefs/training  
starting to gain ground again getting him booted hahaha (the noob!), so  
methinks will have to have a quick word with him on that ;)

a definite explorer that one tho' innit hehehe...

'detached and at ease' this dude, with just a little more practice, could  
prolly fly past anything!

:)

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