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Re: Id love to surf web with 4megs ram forth pc using forth and forth chips

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On Sat, 16 Nov 2013 13:00:41 -0500, the_gavino_himself  
<visphatesjava@gmail.com> wrote:

> What idea was rejected?
>

You seemed to reject the idea of a "Forth PC using Forth
and Forth chips" by suggesting one should use "windows 3.1
and netscape" instead.  Why would you suggest that if you
hadn't rejected a Forth PC?

> To surf the net without windows mac or linux/bsd would
> be fun esp on 1% the code or less!!!
>

I equate the 1% of the code or less comment to mean slow,
since minimal code like that is only possible with threaded
code, which means an interpreted Forth.  I honestly don't
see how this is any different from using a Commodore 64 or
Timex Sinclair 1000 to browse the web.

If you're using a compiled Forth, the compiled code will
be about the same size as compiled C, likely slightly larger
since not as much work has been done to optimize Forth as
compare to C.  The operations must be converted to the host
processor's assembly.  If the code is well written and highly
optimized, the assembly code is going to result in near
identical code for both, and therefore be the same size
for both.  Why?  You can't achieve a greater efficiency
than the most optimal solution for that processor.  If
both C and Forth can generate the same code, why bother
with Forth?  Ditto Fortran, Pascal, Perl, Lisp, BASIC...

> and especily on forth cpu!

First, please learn the difference between a CPU and
microprocessor.  You mean microprocessor, sometimes
abbreviated with the lowercase greek letter mu and 'p'.
Of course, most keyboards don't have mu, but have 'u',
so sometimes posted as 'up', e.g., "forth up".

Second, that can improve speed, but can it improve speed
enough?  Intel, AMD, ARM, etc are *not* producing Forth
microprocessors.  So, at best, you have much, much older
microprocessor technology being used, unless Chuck Moore
is involved.  In which case, the processor is comparable
to other modern non-Forth designs, but usually no better.
If C.M. is not involved, the performance is much worse,
comparatively.

Given all of that above, what is the point?  To me,
it seems you don't really think much about the claims
you make.  You just seem to say: "It's cool!"  So, it's
cool, but it's also irrelevant and useless.  So, why
bother?  If it's just a novelty, who cares?  If you do,
make and sell some "do nothing" machines.


Rod Pemberton

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Id love to surf web with 4megs ram forth pc using forth and forth chips the_gavino_himself <visphatesjava@gmail.com> - 2013-09-27 14:52 -0700
  Re: Id love to surf web with 4megs ram forth pc using forth and forth chips Elizabeth D Rather <erather@forth.com> - 2013-09-27 12:35 -1000
    Re: Id love to surf web with 4megs ram forth pc using forth and forth chips Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2013-10-02 00:01 +0200
      Re: Id love to surf web with 4megs ram forth pc using forth and forth chips Mark Wills <markrobertwills@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-10-02 00:35 -0700
        Re: Id love to surf web with 4megs ram forth pc using forth and forth chips rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-10-02 04:00 -0400
      Re: Id love to surf web with 4megs ram forth pc using forth and forth chips Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-10-02 01:34 -0700
        Re: Id love to surf web with 4megs ram forth pc using forth and forth chips Mark Wills <markrobertwills@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-10-02 07:30 -0700
      Re: Id love to surf web with 4megs ram forth pc using forth and forth chips albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2013-10-02 10:26 +0000
        Re: Id love to surf web with 4megs ram forth pc using forth and forth chips Bill Richards <billrich@gmx.com> - 2013-10-02 14:41 +0000
          Re: Id love to surf web with 4megs ram forth pc using forth and forth chips Mark Wills <markrobertwills@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-10-02 08:25 -0700
            Re: Id love to surf web with 4megs ram forth pc using forth and forth chips rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-10-02 23:13 -0400
        Re: Id love to surf web with 4megs ram forth pc using forth and forth chips Matthias Koch <matthias.koch@hot.uni-hannover.de> - 2013-10-25 12:46 +0200
      Re: Id love to surf web with 4megs ram forth pc using forth and forth chips the_gavino_himself <visphatesjava@gmail.com> - 2013-11-06 17:00 -0800
  Re: Id love to surf web with 4megs ram forth pc using forth and forth chips Brad Eckert <hwfwguy@gmail.com> - 2013-10-04 08:09 -0700
    Re: Id love to surf web with 4megs ram forth pc using forth and forth chips "Ed" <invalid@invalid.com> - 2013-10-05 11:45 +1000
    Re: Id love to surf web with 4megs ram forth pc using forth and forth chips gavino_himself <visploveslisp@gmail.com> - 2013-11-17 13:55 -0800
  Re: Id love to surf web with 4megs ram forth pc using forth and forth chips "Clyde W. Phillips Jr." <cwpjr02@gmail.com> - 2013-10-15 16:45 -0700
    Re: Id love to surf web with 4megs ram forth pc using forth and forth chips Spam@ControlQ.com - 2013-10-16 11:20 -0400
      Re: Id love to surf web with 4megs ram forth pc using forth and forth chips albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2013-10-17 12:03 +0000
        Re: Id love to surf web with 4megs ram forth pc using forth and forth chips Spam@ControlQ.com - 2013-10-17 11:40 -0400
          Re: Id love to surf web with 4megs ram forth pc using forth and forth chips albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2013-10-17 19:58 +0000
            Re: Id love to surf web with 4megs ram forth pc using forth and forth chips Spam@ControlQ.com - 2013-10-17 17:22 -0400
              Re: Id love to surf web with 4megs ram forth pc using forth and forth chips "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2013-10-17 11:45 -1000
                Re: Id love to surf web with 4megs ram forth pc using forth and forth chips Spam@ControlQ.com - 2013-10-18 13:33 -0400
                Re: Id love to surf web with 4megs ram forth pc using forth and forth chips gavino_himself <visploveslisp@gmail.com> - 2013-11-17 14:15 -0800
            Re: Id love to surf web with 4megs ram forth pc using forth and forth chips "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@nohavenotit.com> - 2013-10-18 04:02 -0400
              Re: Id love to surf web with 4megs ram forth pc using forth and forth chips Stefan Mauerhofer <smauerhofer@androsoft.ch> - 2013-10-18 07:01 -0700
                Re: Id love to surf web with 4megs ram forth pc using forth and forth chips "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2013-10-18 08:53 -1000
                Re: Id love to surf web with 4megs ram forth pc using forth and forth chips c-gschuette@neogov.net - 2013-11-07 09:24 -0800
                Re: Id love to surf web with 4megs ram forth pc using forth and forth chips "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2013-11-07 07:38 -1000
                Re: Id love to surf web with 4megs ram forth pc using forth and forth chips "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnohavenotit.cnm> - 2013-11-07 20:07 -0500
                Re: Id love to surf web with 4megs ram forth pc using forth and forth chips the_gavino_himself <visphatesjava@gmail.com> - 2013-11-16 10:00 -0800
                Re: Id love to surf web with 4megs ram forth pc using forth and forth chips "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnohavenotit.cnm> - 2013-11-16 17:22 -0500
                Re: Id love to surf web with 4megs ram forth pc using forth and forth chips "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2013-11-16 13:53 -1000
                Re: Id love to surf web with 4megs ram forth pc using forth and forth chips Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2013-11-17 04:17 -0600
                Re: Id love to surf web with 4megs ram forth pc using forth and forth chips Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2013-11-17 15:21 +0100
                Re: Id love to surf web with 4megs ram forth pc using forth and forth chips "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2013-11-17 08:55 -1000
                Re: Id love to surf web with 4megs ram forth pc using forth and forth chips Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2013-11-17 16:13 -0600
                Re: Id love to surf web with 4megs ram forth pc using forth and forth chips "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2013-11-17 12:37 -1000
                Re: Id love to surf web with 4megs ram forth pc using forth and forth chips "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@nohavenotit.com> - 2013-10-18 21:19 -0400
                Re: Id love to surf web with 4megs ram forth pc using forth and forth chips gavino_himself <visploveslisp@gmail.com> - 2013-11-17 14:28 -0800
                Re: Id love to surf web with 4megs ram forth pc using forth and forth chips gavino_himself <visploveslisp@gmail.com> - 2013-11-17 14:34 -0800
        Re: Id love to surf web with 4megs ram forth pc using forth and forth chips "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2013-10-17 11:32 -1000
        Re: Id love to surf web with 4megs ram forth pc using forth and forth chips "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@nohavenotit.com> - 2013-10-18 04:02 -0400
      Re: Id love to surf web with 4megs ram forth pc using forth and forth chips gavino_himself <visploveslisp@gmail.com> - 2013-11-17 14:11 -0800

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