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Re: The real cost of net zero

From "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com>
Newsgroups aus.cars, aus.computers, aus.legal
Subject Re: The real cost of net zero
Date 2024-12-23 17:14 +1100
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On Mon, 23 Dec 2024 16:30:55 +1100, Trevor Wilson  
<trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote:

> On 23/12/2024 3:40 pm, Rod Speed wrote:
>> On Mon, 23 Dec 2024 13:40:17 +1100, Trevor Wilson  
>> <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote:
>>
>>> On 23/12/2024 11:38 am, Mighty Mouse wrote:
>>>> Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>> On 21/12/2024 5:59 pm, Mighty Mouse wrote:
>>>>>> Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>> On 21/12/2024 11:50 am, Mighty Mouse wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Get the facts. radio interview I recorded with Chris Uhlmann,  
>>>>>>>> award winning journalist and Sky News Political Contributor
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://auslink.info/audio/netzero.mp4 (20Kb)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> or watch the documentary ..
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbxpieEQ7bc
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> **Sky News? Are you fucking serious, you fucking moron?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> in ancient times it was customary to kill a messenger who brought a  
>>>>>> King news he didn't want to hear. I see you're following that  
>>>>>> example.
>>>>>
>>>>> **Nope. I am merely pointing out that Sky is a mouthpiece for  
>>>>> denialists. NOTHING Sky reports can be trusted. Ever. Sky is not a  
>>>>> scientific source of note.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>  deal with the facts. it's not about not reducing carbon emissions,  
>>>>>> but how it's done, and setting realistic targets.
>>>>>
>>>>> **The target is zero net emissions. Simple. It must be done as  
>>>>> rapidly as possible and then we must aim to reverse net emissions.  
>>>>> IOW: We must begin to remove CO2 from the atmosphere to bring it  
>>>>> back to approximately 300ppm. Failure means that the human race will  
>>>>> incur costs that are so high that we cannot ever pay for the costs.  
>>>>> As has been said for at least 25 years: Acting sooner is cheaper  
>>>>> than acting later. Should we fail to keep atmospheric CO2 levels  
>>>>> below approximately 500ppm, then nothing humans can do will prevent  
>>>>> an utter catastrophe. The cost will exceed the GDP of the planet  
>>>>> several times over.
>>>>  I'm aware of the problem (https://climate.nasa.gov/vital-signs/  
>>>> carbon- dioxide/), however we have vast reserves of coal that could  
>>>> provide us with cheap electricity,

>>> How about the CO2 emissions?

>>  Irrelevant as far as this country is concerned.

>>  Even if we were stupid enough to shut down all coal fired
>> and gas fired power generation tomorrow that would have
>> NO measurable effect on global temps what so eveer.

> Would it affect AUSTRALIA'S CO2 emissions?

Irrelevant.

Even if we were stupid enough to shut down all coal fired
and gas fired power generation tomorrow that would have
NO measurable effect on global temps what so eveer.

>>> Did you forget that? We MUST move away  from coal.

>>  Mindless bullshit.

> Fact

Nothing even remotely like a fact.

Even if we were stupid enough to shut down all coal fired
and gas fired power generation tomorrow that would have
NO measurable effect on global temps what so eveer.

>>>   but thanks to green ideology we have high
>>>> electricity prices.

>>> BULLSHIT.

>>  Fact actually.

> BULLSHIT. We have high electricity prices because various state  
> governments sold electricity assets to private companies.

Victoria only did that because Labor drove the state govt finances
into the ground and there was no other viable alternative.

> Private  companies can gouge consumers.

Not when there is real competition between them, as there is.

> After all, they have to pay huge chunks of cash to overseas shareholders,

Another lie.

> overpaid corporate directors

Trivial part of their costs.

> and other  entities.

Fantasy

>>> Most places in Australia have high electricity prices because we have  
>>> stupid state governments that soldoff profitable state  assets. Like  
>>> electricity generation.

>>  We would still have higher electricity prices even if
>> we had not done that,

> Not even REMOTELY close to what we have now. Power prices went through  
> the roof as soon as power companies were sold off.

They never went thru the roof and the increase happened
in the states which did not sell off their power generation,

>   simply because the changes
>> to the grid and paying for renewables and stuff like
>> Snowy 2.0 which is because of the much higher
>> level of renewables would still have to be paid for.

> Snowy 2.0 was always dumb.

It was the only viable way to do load levelling when
govts were stupid enough to do renewables.

> Thanks to the Libs.

>>> Remind us: Which Victorian state government sold off electricity  
>>> generating assets?

>>  Because Labor had driven the govt finances in Victoria
>> into the ground and there was no other way to fix that.

> Bullshit.

How do you claim that would have been fixed otherwise ?

>>>> we could have kept our coal fired power stations
>>>> while at the same time transitioning to renewables.

>>> We ARE transitioning to renewables. Places like South Australia are  
>>> very well advanced in fact.

>>  And got much higher electricity prices because they were that
>> stupid and got to wear the mega grid failure when the transmission
>> line from Victoria which was crucial to viability was wrecked.

> Overhead power lines are cheap.

Bullshit the new transmission line to SA is and the other new transmission  
lines.

> And dumb.

So how do you propose to get the power from the renewables
to the consumers ?

>>>>  the only reason we
>>>> haven't done so is because practicality has been supplanted by  
>>>> ideology.

>>> Nope. The blame lies squarely with Tony fucking Abbott.He is   
>>> singularly responsible for Australia's situation.

>>  Even sillier than you usually manage and that's saying something.

> Nope. I am 100% correct. That fucking idiot, Abbott, istravelling the   
> world sprouting climate change denialism.

That's not australia's situation.

>>> NEVER forget that. Abbott's name will go down in history as the worst,  
>>> most planet damaging politician in Australian history.

>>  Even sillier than you usually manage and that's saying something.

> Nope. I am 100% correct. That fucking idiot, Abbott, is travelling the  
> world sprouting climate change denialism.

That's not australia's situation.

>>>> so we export our coal to China so they can have coal powered  
>>>> electricity generation (https://www.carbonbrief.org/china-  
>>>> responsible-for-95-of-new- coal-power-construction-in-2023-report-  
>>>> says/ ) and cheap electricity and contribute more than any other  
>>>> country to global warming.
>>
>>> Each Chinese citizen is responsible for less than half the CO2  
>>> emissions compared to each Australian.

>>  But because there are so many of them, china contributes FAR
>> more CO2 to the atmosphere than we do and that's what matters.

> Each Chinese citizen is responsible for less than half the CO2
> emissions compared to each Australian.

But because there are so many of them, china contributes FAR
more CO2 to the atmosphere than we do and that's what matters.

>>> Further; China is installing VASTLY more Solar and wind energy than  
>>> coal or nukes.

>>  Their stupidity is their problem

> So you say. Do you think they might know more than Abbott's band of  
> vandals?

I know they dont and will get to wear the cost of that stupidity

>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renewable_energy_in_China
>>
>>>>  https://www.worldometers.info/co2-emissions/co2-emissions-by-country
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have a better idea for you. Try READING this:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://www.climatecouncil.org.au/resources/markets-moving-  
>>>>>>> economic- costs-australias-climate-inaction/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The costs associated with achieving net zero are very high.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The costs associated with failing to achieve net zero are MUCH  
>>>>>>> higher. In fact, they are so high that the planet may not be able  
>>>>>>> to pay the bill.
>>>>>
>>>>> **Did you bother reading my cites?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>  did you bother listening/watching mine?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Murdoch shit? Nope.
>>>
>>> Tell you what: I will watch it, if you promise to read my cites.
>>>
>>> Deal?
>>>
>>> BTW: There will be a quiz to test if you actually do read my cites,  
>>> should you agree to my conditions.
>

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      Re: The real cost of net zero Trevor Wilson <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> - 2024-12-21 19:33 +1100
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              Re: The real cost of net zero Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> - 2024-12-22 00:08 +0000
              Re: The real cost of net zero Trevor Wilson <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> - 2024-12-22 11:39 +1100
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                Re: The real cost of net zero alvey <Factman@gmail.com> - 2024-12-26 20:40 +1000
                Re: The real cost of net zero Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> - 2024-12-26 22:08 +1100
                Re: The real cost of net zero Mighty Mouse <"squeak!"@thecheesefactory.com> - 2024-12-26 23:26 +1100
                Re: The real cost of net zero Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> - 2024-12-26 23:46 +1100
                Re: The real cost of net zero Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2024-12-27 19:53 +1100
                Re: The real cost of net zero Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> - 2024-12-26 18:33 +1100
                Re: The real cost of net zero "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2024-12-25 07:24 +1100
                Re: The real cost of net zero Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au> - 2024-12-25 08:20 +1100
                Re: The real cost of net zero Mighty Mouse <"squeak!"@thecheesefactory.com> - 2024-12-25 10:43 +1100
      Re: The real cost of net zero Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> - 2024-12-23 13:03 +1100
        Re: The real cost of net zero Mighty Mouse <"squeak!"@thecheesefactory.com> - 2024-12-23 14:00 +1100
          Re: The real cost of net zero Trevor Wilson <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> - 2024-12-23 14:58 +1100
            Re: The real cost of net zero Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> - 2024-12-23 15:26 +1100
            Re: The real cost of net zero "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2024-12-23 15:44 +1100
              Re: The real cost of net zero Trevor Wilson <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> - 2024-12-23 16:32 +1100
                Re: The real cost of net zero "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2024-12-23 17:19 +1100
                Re: The real cost of net zero Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au> - 2024-12-24 12:29 +1100
                Re: The real cost of net zero "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2024-12-24 13:10 +1100
                Re: The real cost of net zero alvey <Hans.Andnees@gmail.com> - 2024-12-24 15:32 +1000
                Re: The real cost of net zero Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> - 2024-12-24 18:42 +1100
                Re: The real cost of net zero Mighty Mouse <"squeak!"@thecheesefactory.com> - 2024-12-24 15:37 +1100
                Re: The real cost of net zero Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2024-12-24 21:24 +1100
                Re: The real cost of net zero Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2024-12-24 21:34 +1100
                Re: The real cost of net zero "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2024-12-25 07:21 +1100
                Re: The real cost of net zero Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> - 2024-12-24 21:43 +1100
                Re: The real cost of net zero Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2024-12-25 00:09 +1100
                Re: The real cost of net zero "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2024-12-25 07:27 +1100
                Re: The real cost of net zero Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au> - 2024-12-25 08:24 +1100
                Re: The real cost of net zero "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2024-12-25 09:15 +1100
                Re: The real cost of net zero Mighty Mouse <"squeak!"@thecheesefactory.com> - 2024-12-25 10:53 +1100
                Re: The real cost of net zero "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2024-12-25 07:18 +1100
                Re: The real cost of net zero Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2024-12-25 22:25 +1100
                Re: The real cost of net zero "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2024-12-26 04:53 +1100
                Re: The real cost of net zero Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2024-12-26 20:52 +1100
                Re: The real cost of net zero "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2024-12-27 04:44 +1100
                Re: The real cost of net zero Noddy <me@home.com> - 2024-12-23 17:28 +1100
                Re: The real cost of net zero Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> - 2024-12-23 17:33 +1100
                Re: The real cost of net zero Clocky <notgonna@happen.com> - 2024-12-23 18:52 +0800
                Re: The real cost of net zero SAG <Hans.Andnees@gmail.com> - 2024-12-24 05:23 +1000
                Re: The real cost of net zero Mighty Mouse <"squeak!"@thecheesefactory.com> - 2024-12-24 15:35 +1100
                Re: The real cost of net zero Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> - 2024-12-24 18:26 +1100
                Re: The real cost of net zero Mighty Mouse <"squeak!"@thecheesefactory.com> - 2024-12-24 20:05 +1100
                Re: The real cost of net zero alvey <Factman@gmail.com> - 2024-12-24 18:37 +1000
                Re: The real cost of net zero Mighty Mouse <"squeak!"@thecheesefactory.com> - 2024-12-24 20:06 +1100
                Re: The real cost of net zero alvey <Hans.Andnees@gmail.com> - 2024-12-25 07:41 +1000
                Re: The real cost of net zero "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2024-12-25 09:27 +1100
                Re: The real cost of net zero alvey <Hans.Andnees@gmail.com> - 2024-12-26 06:03 +1000
                Re: The real cost of net zero Mighty Mouse <"squeak!"@thecheesefactory.com> - 2024-12-26 13:25 +1100
                Re: The real cost of net zero alvey <Factman@gmail.com> - 2024-12-26 14:16 +1000
                Re: The real cost of net zero alvey <Factman@gmail.com> - 2024-12-26 15:18 +1000
                Re: The real cost of net zero Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> - 2024-12-26 16:31 +1100
                Re: The real cost of net zero alvey <Factman@gmail.com> - 2024-12-26 17:40 +1000
                Re: The real cost of net zero MightyMouse <"squeak!"@thecheesefactory.com> - 2024-12-26 18:58 +1100
                Re: The real cost of net zero Clocky <notgonna@happen.com> - 2024-12-24 16:37 +0800
                Re: The real cost of net zero Mighty Mouse <"squeak!"@thecheesefactory.com> - 2024-12-24 20:07 +1100
            Re: The real cost of net zero alvey <Factman@gmail.com> - 2024-12-23 18:32 +1000
            Re: The real cost of net zero Mighty Mouse <"squeak!"@thecheesefactory.com> - 2024-12-24 15:34 +1100
              Re: The real cost of net zero Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> - 2024-12-24 18:26 +1100
                Re: The real cost of net zero Clocky <notgonna@happen.com> - 2024-12-24 17:08 +0800
                Re: The real cost of net zero Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> - 2024-12-24 20:19 +1100
              Re: The real cost of net zero Clocky <notgonna@happen.com> - 2024-12-24 17:03 +0800
                Re: The real cost of net zero Mighty Mouse <"squeak!"@thecheesefactory.com> - 2024-12-24 22:56 +1100
                Re: The real cost of net zero Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> - 2024-12-24 23:12 +1100
          Re: The real cost of net zero Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> - 2024-12-23 15:20 +1100
            Re: The real cost of net zero Trevor Wilson <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> - 2024-12-23 15:35 +1100
            Re: The real cost of net zero Mighty Mouse <"squeak!"@thecheesefactory.com> - 2024-12-24 15:41 +1100
              Re: The real cost of net zero Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> - 2024-12-24 18:28 +1100
              Re: The real cost of net zero Trevor Wilson <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> - 2024-12-24 20:02 +1100
                Re: The real cost of net zero Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> - 2024-12-24 20:17 +1100

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