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Re: The Speed of Thought

Newsgroups sci.physics, sci.physics.relativity, rec.arts.sf.written
From djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt)
Subject Re: The Speed of Thought
Message-ID <oovF88.sDy@kithrup.com> (permalink)
Date 2017-04-23 16:31 +0000
References <58FBA2D2.5616@ix.netcom.com> <58fc9ce1$0$1811$e4fe514c@textnews.kpn.nl> <oov91u.G85@kithrup.com> <MPG.33668d30e271d35098abd5@news.eternal-september.org>
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In article <MPG.33668d30e271d35098abd5@news.eternal-september.org>,
J. Clarke <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
>In article <oov91u.G85@kithrup.com>, djheydt@kithrup.com says...
>> 
>> In article <58fc9ce1$0$1811$e4fe514c@textnews.kpn.nl>,
>> Sjouke Burry  <burrynulnulfour@ppllaanneett.nnll> wrote:
>> >On 23.04.17 7:05, The Starmaker wrote:
>> >> Ned Latham wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> The Starmaker wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> The Speed of Thought
>> >>>
>> >>> Depends on the indiviual. Most people should be able to manage 80 wpm
>> >>> or more.
>> >>>
>> >>>> I don't think
>> >>>
>> >>> We know.
>> >>>
>> >>> Ned
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> The speed of light is not about how fast it can type...but how fast it
>> >can move.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Once you understand 'thought' as information... then you can measure
>> >how fast thought can move.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Let me give you a simple example..
>> >>
>> >> Your great great grandmother puts her thoughts in a letter and give it
>> >to a letter carrier, the pony express.
>> >>
>> >> A 'letter carrier' is a person who carries a letter containg your
>> >great great grandmother thoughts , jumps on a pony and delivers it.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> What is the speed of thought? ....today, might be a little faster.
>> >>
>> >> How long did it take 'this thought' to reach You? And add all the
>> >different modes of..transportation.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Also add galaxies that are moving faster than the speed of light which
>> >also contain...information.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> What is The Speed of Thought?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> I think it's fair to say it's a little more than..."80 wpm".
>> >>
>> >Nerve conduction velocity - Wikipedia
>> >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nerve_conduction_velocity
>> >Nerve impulses are extremely slow compared to the speed of electrical 
>> >impulses which are on the order of 50?99% of the speed of light, 
>> >however, very fast compared to the speed of blood flow, with some 
>> >myelinated neurons conducting at speeds up to 120 m/s (432 km/h or 275 mph).
>> 
>> That was what I thought when I first saw this Subject line.  I
>> actually knew that number at some point, 'cause I asked my boss
>> the scientist and he told me, and I put it into _A Point of
>> Honor,_ at the point where the programmer tells the swordswoman
>> that, as you say, nerve impulses travel more slowly than
>> electrical impulses, so that (contrary to popular belief) she
>> *can't* tell whether she's in a VR on a local machine or a remote
>> one.
>
>That would depend though on how remote "remote" is.  Across town, it would 
>be hard to tell.  Lag from NY to LA over landline is about the same as the 
>interval between movie frames--some people can see that.  Lag from NY to 
>Melbourne would be more like a tenth of second--that's perceptible for most 
>people.  Put in a satellite link and it's enough to be annoying in 
>telephone conversations.

Well, the distance in the specific context is from Philadelphia,
Pennsylvania, to San Jose, California.  But the story is set
somewhere-in-the-moderately-near-future (Florida is being
evacuated because of sea level rise, hydrocarbon-fueled vehicles
are rare antiques, and full-sensory VR is available at a highish
price), so maybe their communication speeds have improved.  Note
that I am not an EECS major, but my husband is.  Or was, since
he's retired.

-- 
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com

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The Speed of Thought The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-04-22 11:37 -0700
  Re: The Speed of Thought Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-04-23 04:35 +0000
    Re: The Speed of Thought The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-04-22 22:05 -0700
      Re: The Speed of Thought Sjouke Burry <burrynulnulfour@ppllaanneett.nnll> - 2017-04-23 14:23 +0200
        Re: The Speed of Thought djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2017-04-23 14:17 +0000
          Re: The Speed of Thought "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2017-04-23 11:07 -0400
            Re: The Speed of Thought djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2017-04-23 16:31 +0000
              Re: The Speed of Thought "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2017-04-23 23:11 -0400
        Re: The Speed of Thought Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2017-04-23 10:14 -0600
          Re: The Speed of Thought Cryptoengineer <treifamily@gmail.com> - 2017-04-23 11:43 -0500
            Re: The Speed of Thought djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2017-04-23 20:36 +0000
              Re: The Speed of Thought Cryptoengineer <treifamily@gmail.com> - 2017-04-23 19:56 -0500
          Re: The Speed of Thought djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2017-04-23 16:24 +0000
      Re: The Speed of Thought Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-04-23 12:35 +0000
        Re: The Speed of Thought The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-04-23 13:00 -0700
          Re: The Speed of Thought Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-04-23 23:38 +0000
            Re: The Speed of Thought The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-04-23 21:15 -0700
              Re: The Speed of Thought The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-04-23 22:38 -0700
                Re: The Speed of Thought Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-04-24 06:02 +0000
        Re: The Speed of Thought "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2017-04-24 13:52 -0700
  Re: The Speed of Thought Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-04-24 16:55 +1000
    Re: The Speed of Thought Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-04-24 09:09 +0200
      Re: The Speed of Thought Lintervallen Ruther <rt@lweaevte.ri> - 2017-04-24 19:37 +0000
    Re: The Speed of Thought The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-04-24 09:42 -0700
      Re: The Speed of Thought The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-04-24 10:22 -0700
      Re: The Speed of Thought Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-04-25 12:03 +1000
        Re: The Speed of Thought The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-04-25 00:16 -0700
          Re: The Speed of Thought Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-04-25 17:42 +1000
          Re: The Speed of Thought The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-04-27 11:58 -0700
            Re: The Speed of Thought Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-04-28 02:25 +0000
              Re: The Speed of Thought The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-04-27 20:49 -0700
                Re: The Speed of Thought Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-04-28 12:48 +0000
                Re: The Speed of Thought The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-04-28 10:37 -0700
                Re: The Speed of Thought Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-04-28 23:36 +0000
        Re: The Speed of Thought benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-04-25 17:18 -0400
          Re: The Speed of Thought Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-04-25 21:53 +0000
            Re: The Speed of Thought benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-04-25 19:39 -0400
              Re: The Speed of Thought Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-04-26 04:36 +0000
                Re: The Speed of Thought john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-04-26 06:07 -0700
                Re: The Speed of Thought john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-04-26 12:33 -0700
                Re: The Speed of Thought benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-04-26 18:05 -0400
                Re: The Speed of Thought john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-04-26 15:42 -0700
                Re: The Speed of Thought benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-04-26 18:00 -0400
                Re: The Speed of Thought Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-04-27 03:13 +0000
                Re: The Speed of Thought benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2017-04-27 04:32 -0400
                Re: The Speed of Thought Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-04-27 14:46 +0000
                Re: The Speed of Thought benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2017-04-27 11:29 -0400
                Re: The Speed of Thought Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-04-27 16:32 +0000
                Re: The Speed of Thought benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2017-04-27 13:22 -0400
                Re: The Speed of Thought Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-04-28 02:16 +0000
                Re: The Speed of Thought The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-04-27 11:43 -0700
              Re: The Speed of Thought The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-04-27 11:50 -0700
                Re: The Speed of Thought benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-04-27 17:21 -0400
                Re: The Speed of Thought The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-04-27 23:16 -0700
                Re: The Speed of Thought Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-04-28 12:59 +0000
                Re: The Speed of Thought The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-04-28 10:47 -0700
                Re: The Speed of Thought Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-04-28 23:54 +0000
                Re: The Speed of Thought Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-04-28 02:24 +0000
                Re: The Speed of Thought The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-04-27 23:18 -0700
                Re: The Speed of Thought Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-04-28 12:45 +0000
                Re: The Speed of Thought The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-04-28 10:38 -0700
                Re: The Speed of Thought Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-04-28 23:40 +0000
                Re: The Speed of Thought The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-04-29 10:47 -0700
                Re: The Speed of Thought The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-05-04 23:42 -0700
            Re: The Speed of Thought The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-04-27 11:41 -0700
              Re: The Speed of Thought benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-04-27 17:20 -0400
                Re: The Speed of Thought The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-04-27 23:15 -0700
                Re: The Speed of Thought Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-04-28 12:57 +0000
                Re: The Speed of Thought The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-04-28 10:41 -0700
                Re: The Speed of Thought Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-04-28 23:45 +0000
  Re: The Speed of Thought SteveGG <casagiannoni@optonline.net> - 2017-04-24 07:48 -0400
    Re: The Speed of Thought Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2017-04-24 20:36 +0200

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