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Re: What Do Dingleberries Actually Mean When They Claim Moving Clocks Run Slow?

From "HGW..." <hgw@....>
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Subject Re: What Do Dingleberries Actually Mean When They Claim Moving Clocks Run Slow?
Date 2017-08-18 07:51 +1000
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On 17/08/17 08:08, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> On 8/16/17 4:53 PM, HGW... wrote:
>> On 16/08/17 21:50, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>> HGW... <hgw@....> wrote:
>>
>>>>>> You seem to have missed the most important point....a common dingleberry
>>>>>> habit. IF THE LIGHT SOURCES ARE CONNECTED TO THE MOVING ROD, THE PULSES
>>>>>> WILL OBVIOUSLY TAKE THE SAME TIME TO TRAVERSE THE ROD IN OPPOSITE
>>>>>> DIRECTIONS.
>>>>>
>>>>> That's not obvious at all. In fact that answer is frame dependent.
>>>>> Obviously.
>>>>
>>>> Bodkin, here is an experiment.
>>>> S1___________________________S2
>>>>
>>>> S1 and S2 are light sources. They send light signals to each other.
>>>> Since the signals move at c relative to their sources, can you think of
>>>> any reason why those signals will not take the same time to traverse the
>>>> distance between them?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Sure. If you're in a frame where both sources are moving, then obviously
>>> the signals will take different times to traverse from one source to the
>>> other. Obviously.
>>
>> Bodkin, if a clock is located at each light source, its reading will advance by N as a light pulse goes from L to R 
>> and by the same number N as a pulse goes from R to L. That is obvious from symmetry.
> 
> No, it won't. Not as seen in any frame where the both sources are moving. Whatever symmetry you imagine in the rest 
> frame of the sources vanishes in any other reference frame. This is obvious.

Bodkin, the symmetry relates to pure numbers on the dials of both clocks. Do you think number itself is frame dependent? 
More to the point, do you think 'sameness' is frame dependent...because that is what is at issue here.

> In a frame in which both sources are moving, the light from one of the sources is moving in the same direction as the 
> two sources, and the light from the other source is moving in the opposite direction as the two sources. See? Symmetry 
> busted.

Of course...and for the simple reason that the pulses move at c+v and c-v.

> Rest of the spew ignored.

That tactic is a sure sign of desperation and defeat.

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