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"HGW..." <hgw@....> writes:

>On 30/07/17 11:35, Michael Moroney wrote:
>> "HGW..." <hgw@....> writes:
>> 
>>> Rabbidge's Mechanical Aether Detector (RMAD):
>> 
>>> Let two rods be made identical when aligned together. Can everyone
>>> understand that?
>> 
>> Sure, Ralph.
>> 
>>> Separate them and then repeatedly move them towards each other at a
>>> range of relative speeds.
>> 
>>> According to aether theories, their four ends will only be adjacent at
>>> the same instant IF they have the same absolute speed.
>> 
>> "Same instant" defined how?  Also, how to communicate sameness from the
>> different sensing locations that are separated by a distance, Henry?

>Poor fellow. they can be synched with light from the midpoint if 
>necessary but the detectors could be replaced by 45 mirrors and one 
>detector at the midpoint would suffice.

OK, Ralph, so it will be at the "same instant" for the position of the
center of the stationary rod. But what about every other point in the
universe, Ralph?

> Don't you know anything about 
>experimental physics?

You made it obvious that you don't.

>>> So, any difference in the timing of the adjacency of the opposite ends
>>> would mean that an aether exists
>> 
>> Or that SR is valid.

>SR requires an aether to unify light speeds from differently moving sources.

No, Ralph, there isn't any "unification" of light speed, thus no need for
your aether.  How could there be a need for "unification", Ralph?  Light
moves at c, period. Nothing to unify.

>>> and furthermore, that the Earth's
>>> absolute speed can be determined by performing the experiment at
>>> different speeds and monitoring the times.
>> 
>> Of course such measurements have been done, and cannot come up with any
>> sort of absolute speed, Ralph, because there isn't such a thing.
>> 
>>> If the timing was always the same irrespective of speed, that would be
>>> proof that no aether exists and Einstein's theory is wrong.
>> 
>> But no aether supports Einstein's theory, 

>Then why did Einstein say his theory would collapse if there wasn't one?

No, Ralph, Einstein explicitly stated that an aether was superfluous and
would not be used in his SR paper.  If Einstein states the aether was
unnecessary, then the aether is unnecessary, and any proof of no aether
would help validate Einstein theory, not show it's wrong, Ralph.

Ralph, I still don't know how you could come up with an idea as dumb as
saying a theory that explicitly states the aether is unnecessary would be
proven wrong if it was proven that there was no aether.

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A Way to Measure the Earth's Absolute Speed.... "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-07-29 09:54 +1000
  Re: A Way to Measure the Earth's Absolute Speed.... rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2017-07-28 19:03 -0700
    Re: A Way to Measure the Earth's Absolute Speed.... "HGW, DSc." <HG@....> - 2017-07-30 04:42 +1000
      Re: A Way to Measure the Earth's Absolute Speed.... rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2017-07-29 18:35 -0700
        Re: A Way to Measure the Earth's Absolute Speed.... "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-07-30 19:12 +1000
          Re: A Way to Measure the Earth's Absolute Speed.... rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2017-07-30 06:20 -0700
      Re: A Way to Measure the Earth's Absolute Speed.... dancouriann@gmail.com - 2017-07-30 08:30 -0700
      Re: A Way to Measure the Earth's Absolute Speed.... "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2017-07-30 19:31 +0200
        Re: A Way to Measure the Earth's Absolute Speed.... "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-07-31 10:51 +1000
  Re: A Way to Measure the Earth's Absolute Speed.... kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-07-29 11:59 -0700
    Re: A Way to Measure the Earth's Absolute Speed.... "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-07-30 08:50 +1000
      Re: A Way to Measure the Earth's Absolute Speed.... kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-07-30 05:44 -0700
        Re: A Way to Measure the Earth's Absolute Speed.... "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-07-31 10:57 +1000
          Re: A Way to Measure the Earth's Absolute Speed.... kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-07-31 05:44 -0700
            Re: A Way to Measure the Earth's Absolute Speed.... "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-08-01 10:21 +1000
              Re: A Way to Measure the Earth's Absolute Speed.... dancouriann@gmail.com - 2017-07-31 17:42 -0700
              Re: A Way to Measure the Earth's Absolute Speed.... moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-08-01 04:07 +0000
              Re: A Way to Measure the Earth's Absolute Speed.... kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-08-01 06:43 -0700
              Re: A Way to Measure the Earth's Absolute Speed.... kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-08-01 07:01 -0700
                Re: A Way to Measure the Earth's Absolute Speed.... "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-08-02 08:39 +1000
            Re: A Way to Measure the Earth's Absolute Speed.... moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-08-01 03:43 +0000
  Re: A Way to Measure the Earth's Absolute Speed.... moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-07-30 01:35 +0000
    Re: A Way to Measure the Earth's Absolute Speed.... "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-07-30 19:21 +1000
      Re: A Way to Measure the Earth's Absolute Speed.... Jeèným Ludnými <hovae@ieuuio.org> - 2017-07-30 10:37 +0000
      Re: A Way to Measure the Earth's Absolute Speed.... rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2017-07-30 06:35 -0700
      Re: A Way to Measure the Earth's Absolute Speed.... moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-07-31 00:18 +0000
        Re: A Way to Measure the Earth's Absolute Speed.... "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-07-31 12:08 +1000
          Re: A Way to Measure the Earth's Absolute Speed.... moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-07-31 14:23 +0000
            Re: A Way to Measure the Earth's Absolute Speed.... Jeèným Ludnými <hovae@ieuuio.org> - 2017-07-31 18:40 +0000

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