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On 29/07/17 12:03, rotchm wrote:
> On Friday, July 28, 2017 at 7:54:38 PM UTC-4, HGW... wrote:
>
>
>> Wilson's Mechanical Aether Detector (WMAD):
>>
>> Let two rods be made identical when aligned together...
>>
>> Separate them and then repeatedly move them towards each other at a
>>  range of relative speeds.
>>
>> According to aether theories, their four ends will only be adjacent
>> at the same instant IF they have the same absolute speed.
>
> Yes, taking the meaning of 'same instant' in the absolute sense. Not
> the relativistic (& applied/doable) sense.
>
>
>> According to normal physics, the four ends will ALWAYS be adjacent
>> at the same instant, no matter what their speeds are.
>
> Nope. The corresponding ends will usually NOT be adjacent at the same
> 'instant' meaning 'at the same time' meaning 'simultaneously' in the
> usual/SR/doable sense.
>
> Now, how can you know at what time (or if simul) that the ends be
> adjacent? IOW, how do you define 'time' for your setup?

Quite easily. I will describe the experiment again.

Two rods are made identical while together.
One, labeled stationary, is fitted with a laser at each end pointing
normally at an attached detector. The other has a very small hole in
each end through which the laser beam can pass.

  _                         _ detectors
_ _________________________ _Rm
_|_________________________|_Rs

In the experiment, Rm will be moved past Rs at different speeds. The
timing of the coincidence of the ends is facilitated with the detectors.
They fire when the laser beam passes through the holes.

Neither Rs nor its detectors are subjected to accelerations at any time
and so the method should be capable of directly detecting any physical
length change in Rm due to its movement.

This is a thought experiment and the rods can be 1 LY long if that 
helps. (Note, both LET and SR are based entirely on thought experiments)

Get the picture now?

The whole point is this. As a consequence of the concoction of the LTs
to explain the MMX null result, it was deemed impossible to detect
absolute movement and therefore impossible to detect the existence of 
the presumed absolute frame. (But Lorentz, Einstein and Co. only 
considered using light in their attempts to do that.)

I have shown that this is not true because, according to all aether 
theories, the actual physical length of Rm will vary with its absolute 
speed...and if that were true, the above MECHANICAL experiment would be 
capable of detecting such a variation...at least in theory. (it may even 
be just possible today)

This of course has ramifications for Einstein's SR too because his claim 
that the aether was 'superfluous', followed directly from and is 
entirely dependent on the notion that its existence could never be 
detected.

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A Way to Measure the Earth's Absolute Speed.... "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-07-29 09:54 +1000
  Re: A Way to Measure the Earth's Absolute Speed.... rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2017-07-28 19:03 -0700
    Re: A Way to Measure the Earth's Absolute Speed.... "HGW, DSc." <HG@....> - 2017-07-30 04:42 +1000
      Re: A Way to Measure the Earth's Absolute Speed.... rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2017-07-29 18:35 -0700
        Re: A Way to Measure the Earth's Absolute Speed.... "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-07-30 19:12 +1000
          Re: A Way to Measure the Earth's Absolute Speed.... rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2017-07-30 06:20 -0700
      Re: A Way to Measure the Earth's Absolute Speed.... dancouriann@gmail.com - 2017-07-30 08:30 -0700
      Re: A Way to Measure the Earth's Absolute Speed.... "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2017-07-30 19:31 +0200
        Re: A Way to Measure the Earth's Absolute Speed.... "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-07-31 10:51 +1000
  Re: A Way to Measure the Earth's Absolute Speed.... kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-07-29 11:59 -0700
    Re: A Way to Measure the Earth's Absolute Speed.... "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-07-30 08:50 +1000
      Re: A Way to Measure the Earth's Absolute Speed.... kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-07-30 05:44 -0700
        Re: A Way to Measure the Earth's Absolute Speed.... "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-07-31 10:57 +1000
          Re: A Way to Measure the Earth's Absolute Speed.... kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-07-31 05:44 -0700
            Re: A Way to Measure the Earth's Absolute Speed.... "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-08-01 10:21 +1000
              Re: A Way to Measure the Earth's Absolute Speed.... dancouriann@gmail.com - 2017-07-31 17:42 -0700
              Re: A Way to Measure the Earth's Absolute Speed.... moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-08-01 04:07 +0000
              Re: A Way to Measure the Earth's Absolute Speed.... kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-08-01 06:43 -0700
              Re: A Way to Measure the Earth's Absolute Speed.... kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-08-01 07:01 -0700
                Re: A Way to Measure the Earth's Absolute Speed.... "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-08-02 08:39 +1000
            Re: A Way to Measure the Earth's Absolute Speed.... moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-08-01 03:43 +0000
  Re: A Way to Measure the Earth's Absolute Speed.... moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-07-30 01:35 +0000
    Re: A Way to Measure the Earth's Absolute Speed.... "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-07-30 19:21 +1000
      Re: A Way to Measure the Earth's Absolute Speed.... Jeèným Ludnými <hovae@ieuuio.org> - 2017-07-30 10:37 +0000
      Re: A Way to Measure the Earth's Absolute Speed.... rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2017-07-30 06:35 -0700
      Re: A Way to Measure the Earth's Absolute Speed.... moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-07-31 00:18 +0000
        Re: A Way to Measure the Earth's Absolute Speed.... "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-07-31 12:08 +1000
          Re: A Way to Measure the Earth's Absolute Speed.... moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-07-31 14:23 +0000
            Re: A Way to Measure the Earth's Absolute Speed.... Jeèným Ludnými <hovae@ieuuio.org> - 2017-07-31 18:40 +0000

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