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Re: Apologies - there is NO absolute 'frame', there is an absolute spacetime

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On 7/27/17 7:00 AM, Edgar L. Owen wrote:
> Tom, Jan, et al,
> 
> I've realized I've been using an incorrect terminology to try to get my idea across.
> 
> I agree there is NO absolute 'frame'.
> 
> What there is is a single universal spacetime with respect to which all individual observer frames make sense to each other. Because there is a single universal spacetime it is what's absolute and invariant.
> 
> In my view this ST is not physical but a mathematical structure computed by particle interactions in an underlying computational space.
> 
> However it's still clear that motion with respect to this absolute background produces ACTUAL relativistic effects such as the actual slowing of the traveling twin's clock. While motion only with respect to other clocks produces only OBSERVATIONAL relativistic effects such as the apparent slowing of the earth bound twin's clock as seen from the frame of the traveling twin.
> 
> Hopefully this clarifies my theory somewhat. Apologies for using an incorrect and misleading terminology. There is no absolute frame, but dimensional ST itself functions as an absolute reference background for all relativistic frames.
> 
> Edgar L. Owen
> 

I think you're still off base with terminology. Some reading in physics 
would help to get used to the jargon, which has meanings that are often 
different than colloquial language.

"Invariant" is a descriptor applied to a quantity whose VALUE is 
unchanging. An example would be that the momentum in a closed system is 
invariant. Another example is that invariant mass does not change 
regardless of the reference frame it's evaluated in. Spacetime is not a 
quantity, and so it does not have the attribution "invariant" in this 
specific physical sense.

"Absolute" is a little squishier, and here is associated with a putative 
special reference frame, in which the laws of physics take a 
particularly simple form that is not exhibited in other reference 
frames. The principle of relativity asserts that there is no such 
special reference frame.

-- 
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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Apologies - there is NO absolute 'frame', there is an absolute spacetime "Edgar L. Owen" <Edgar@edgarlowen.com> - 2017-07-27 05:00 -0700
  Re: Apologies - there is NO absolute 'frame', there is an absolute spacetime kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-07-27 05:38 -0700
    Re: Apologies - there is NO absolute 'frame', there is an absolute spacetime Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@hotspam.not> - 2017-07-27 15:06 +0200
  Apologies - there is NO absolute 'frame', there is an absolute spacetime "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-07-27 08:16 -0700
  Re: Apologies - there is NO absolute 'frame', there is an absolute spacetime Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-07-27 10:57 -0500
    Re: Apologies - there is NO absolute 'frame', there is an absolute spacetime shuba <thailao2558@gmail.com> - 2017-07-28 03:29 -0700
      Re: Apologies - there is NO absolute 'frame', there is an absolute spacetime mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-07-28 03:34 -0700
      Re: Apologies - there is NO absolute 'frame', there is an absolute spacetime "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-07-28 07:34 -0700
      Re: Apologies - there is NO absolute 'frame', there is an absolute spacetime Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-07-31 09:00 -0500
    Re: Apologies - there is NO absolute 'frame', there is an absolute spacetime Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-07-29 07:46 -0500
    Re: Apologies - there is NO absolute 'frame', there is an absolute spacetime "Edgar L. Owen" <Edgar@edgarlowen.com> - 2017-07-29 06:28 -0700
      Re: Apologies - there is NO absolute 'frame', there is an absolute spacetime "Edgar L. Owen" <Edgar@edgarlowen.com> - 2017-07-29 06:49 -0700
      Re: Apologies - there is NO absolute 'frame', there is an absolute spacetime "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-07-29 07:38 -0700
      Re: Apologies - there is NO absolute 'frame', there is an absolute spacetime Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-07-31 09:01 -0500
      Re: Apologies - there is NO absolute 'frame', there is an absolute spacetime Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-07-31 10:17 -0400
  Re: Apologies - there is NO absolute 'frame', there is an absolute spacetime Ernard Hevalier <adrdo@tarlaab.lr> - 2017-07-27 18:08 +0000
  Re: Apologies - there is NO absolute 'frame', there is an absolute spacetime Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2017-07-27 22:50 +0200
  Re: Apologies - there is NO absolute 'frame', there is an absolute spacetime Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-07-29 08:14 -0500
    Re: Apologies - there is NO absolute 'frame', there is an absolute spacetime Jeèným Ludnými <hovae@ieuuio.org> - 2017-07-29 16:00 +0000
  Re: Apologies - there is NO absolute 'frame', there is an absolute spacetime "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-07-29 10:47 -0700

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