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Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error.

From "HGW..." <hgw@....>
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Subject Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error.
Date 2017-07-04 08:32 +1000
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On 04/07/17 06:11, Paul B. Andersen wrote:
> Den 03.07.2017 20.08, skrev HGW, DSc.:
>> On 16/06/17 17:59, Paul B. Andersen wrote:
>>> Den 15.06.2017 20.16, skrev HGW, DSc.:
>>
>>>
>>> gamma is the PPN parameter with the following meaning:
>>> If you set gamma = 0, the equation is the Newtonian prediction,
>>> if you set gamma = 1, the equation is the GR prediction.
>>>
>>> Hipparcos has measured the positions of thousands of stars with
>>> extreme precision. There are many millions of measurements made
>>> by Hipparcos, and among these measurements it is possible to find
>>> how the light from a high number of stars are deflected by the Sun.
>>>
>>> These measured deflections can then be compared to the equation
>>> above and gamma can be determined.
>>>
>>> The result is that gamma = 0.997 ± 0.003
>>>
>>> This means that the measured angles are very close to
>>> the prediction of GR, and twice the Newtonian prediction.
>>>
>>> These measurements are not "on the limits of accuracy",
>>> quite the contrary.
>>> The difference between the angle predicted by Newton and
>>> the measured angle is a factor of 2, the former is
>>> 300 times the error bar too small.
>>
>> Paul, the telescope alignment was based on an assumption that GR was 
>> correct.
>> Quote from Wiki: "Corrections due to special relativity (stellar 
>> aberration) made use of the corresponding satellite velocity. 
>> Modifications due to general relativistic light bending were 
>> significant (4 milliarc-sec at 90° to the ecliptic) and corrected for 
>> deterministically assuming γ=1 in the PPN formalism. Residuals were 
>> examined to establish limits on any deviations from this general 
>> relativistic value, and no significant discrepancies were found."
>>
>> Of course no 'discrepancies' would be found! Gamma was ASSUMED TO BE 1!!!
>>
>> What a joke!
>>
> 
> 
> Henry, you are babbling.
> When you do measurements to compare them with predictions,
> you obviously don't correct the measured data with
> the predictions before comparing them.
> How is it possible to fail to understand that?

Paul, you and fellow dingleberries are too stupid to see that you 
continuously rely on circular methodology.
The orientation of the telescope is achieved by aligning it with an 
image of a distant reference star. Its orientation (relative to what I 
gather is some kind of defined inertial radio frame) is continually 
corrected for the presumed bending predicted by GR (or its reading are).
Consequently, if you then measure the bending of light from a star, say, 
near the reference star, naturally you will get the answer that agrees 
with the GR prediction.      :)

It is hard to believe you people can be so blatantly fraudulent in your 
attempts to keep Einstein on his pedestal.

> 
> The Hipparcos mission measured the apparent position of
> the stars at different times of the year when the Sun
> was in different positions relative to the stars.
> 
> It is true that the fact that the apparent positionnormall
> of the star is affected by both parallax and gravitational
> deflection, is a complication.
> (And stellar aberration, but this is so well known
>   that it is easy to compensate for.)

Not so easy for every star.
There is also daily abberation...and a few other types.

> You must somehow determine how much the change in
> apparent position is caused by parallax and how
> much is caused by gravitational deflection.
> This can be done because:
>   Gravitational deflection affects all stars in
>   the same position relative to the Sun equally.
> while:
>   parallax depend on the distance to the star,
>   and will affect stars in the same position relativenormall
>   to the Sun differently.
> and:
>   The direction of the apparent movement will be
>   different for parallax and gravitational bending.

Only on one side.

> However, the correlation between parallax and
> gravitational bending will affect the precision
> of the determination of gamma.

...and you reckon they checked this for every one of he stars they sampled?

> 
> https://paulba.no/paper/PPN_gamma_Hipparcos.pdf
> I have quoted this before:
>   <<
>    Assuming that the deflection for all stars is of
>    the form: 4 X (1+gamma)/2 mas  gamma could be known
>    to better than 0.001. Unfortunately, the correlation
>    between the global parallax zero point and gamma is
>    very large (-0.92) and increases the expected formal
>    error of by an estimated factor of about 2.5, so that
>    it becomes 0.003.

Parallax is considerably greater than the deflection angle and varies in 
a number of different timing cycles. The whole experiment is a joke. It 
had no chance of producing anything other than gamma = 1.

>   >>
> 
> The fact that it is correlation between parallax and
> gravitational bending does reduce the precision of
> gamma from 0.001 to 0.003. But it is still very good.

Paul, any experiment that presumes anywhere in its theory that the 
answer it eventually produces is correct, is not worth the paper it is 
written on.
All readings made by the Hipparcos telescope have already been corrected 
for the  predicted GR bending, WHICH WAS ASSUMED TO BE CORRECT. 
Naturally, the statistical average will turn out to support GR.


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