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Jerry,

> Nope.  My modem has no ip address.  It just sits there between my
> ISP's cable and my router.  It's my router that has an IP address.

Than you've got a very uncommon setup (my apologies for bluntly assuming you
where one of those people who doesn't know the difference between a modem
and a toaster :-\ :-) ).  It doesn't really change anything though.

> And there is nothing in the RFC's which require a DHCP server to
> reissue the same IP address when the old lease expires.

True.   And there isn't anything in there that says that it *must* return an
IP either.  Your point ?  Or are you just trying to be pedantic ?  That
doesn't gain you any points, quite the opposite actually.

> You don't request an extension.  You request an IP address.

I think its best to agree that we disagree here.

> You request an IP address.

Implicite, or explicite ?   Quite a difference.

> Most DHCP servers will reissue the same one, but there is no
> requirement they do so.

And thats *exactly* what I said directly above your (above quoted) reply to
it.  Bloody hell bub, don't you actually *read* to what you are responding
to ?   :-(

> Or it can be reset at 2:13 in the afternoon or any other time of day.
> There is one again no requirement that they reset your IP at any
> specific time.

Do you now expect me to *AGAIN* explain how that would *not* be in the ISPs
best interest ?    I don't think so.  You can go in circles all you like,
but I'm not going to humour you further in that regard.

> What you *think* is meaningless.  What *happens* is what counts.

You should listen a bit more to your own advice.

> My lease expires in 74 minutes (about 9:43 AM here).  I may or
> may not get a new IP address at that time.  But it doesn't matter
> because I don't have any incoming connections.

You're pathetic.  The old "im not using it, so its not a problem to me"
defense.

I'm rather sure that if I would ask you what would happen if you where
actually using that connection and you would be getting a different IP you
would pretty-much ignore me or show me some wiggeling that would be envied
by a snake. :-(

> Gee, I thought the /s meant end of stupidity.

Absolutily!  your stupidity, my sarcasm. :-D

Goodby.   Don't expect more responses.

Regards,
Rudy Wieser



-- Origional message:
Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> schreef in berichtnieuws
oitjc0$mqv$1@jstuckle.eternal-september.org...
> On 6/27/2017 4:30 AM, R.Wieser wrote:
> > Jerry,
> >
> >>> You're absolutily right ofcourse, thats exactly why gamers cannot
> >>> play their online games for an extended period of time.  The
> >>> newsgroups and fora are full with people complaining about it !  /s
> >>
> >> Which is NOT a problem with DHCP.
> >
> > :-) I know.  Thats what that "/s" (short for "end of sarcasm") is all
about.
> >
> > ... and also the paragraph below (which describes lease renewal)
> >
> >> It doesn't matter how long my *computer* is on.  What counts is
> >> how long my *router* is on - which is 24/7/365.
> >
> > Nope.   Its your *modem* which is the deciding factor here (the one
which
> > holds the wan IP, not some intermediate router).
>
> Nope.  My modem has no ip address.  It just sits there between my ISP's
> cable and my router.  It's my router that has an IP address.
>
> > But in the case you actually ment "modem" where you mentioned "router":
It
> > can just send lease renewal messages, and all would be well -- you could
> > keep a fixed IP for as long as your modem doesn't loose its connection
to
> > the ISP.
>
> I meant exactly what I said.  And there is nothing in the RFC's which
> require a DHCP server to reissue the same IP address when the old lease
> expires.
>
> >> Whether a lease is extended or not is completely up to the DHCP
> >> server. Most will just assign one from a group of free IP addresses.
> >>  And since the one just released is at the top of the list, it will get
> > reassigned.
> >
> > Almost, but not quite.  Renewal does not mean you drop the IP you have
and
> > do another "I do not have an IP, please give me one" request, it means
that
> > you are requesting *an extension* of the one you already have (you are
> > sending your current IP as the one you would like to get).   Most DHCP
> > systems will honor it.
>
> That is *exactly* what it means.  You don't request an extension.  You
> request an IP address.  Most DHCP servers will reissue the same one, but
> there is no requirement they do so.
>
> > Ofcourse, as some ISPs do not really like you having a fixed IP for some
or
> > another reason, several have introduced the "lets reset the connection
> > somewhere after midnight", meaning that your modems IP changes at that
time,
> > even when it did not loose its connection.
>
> Or it can be reset at 2:13 in the afternoon or any other time of day.
> There is one again no requirement that they reset your IP at any
> specific time.
>
> > Bottom line: I don't think that any of them will be daft enough to just
> > reset the connection when they feel like it, as it would create havoc
for
> > *all* kinds of communications (including the already-mentioned gaming
> > sessions, but also phonecalls, movie/music stream, etc), especially SSL
> > connections (they would just be terminated). They would loose customers
in
> > droves.
>
> What you *think* is meaningless.  What *happens* is what counts.  And
> that is completely up to the ISP.  For instance, I just checked my
> router. My lease expires in 74 minutes (about 9:43 AM here).  I may or
> may not get a new IP address at that time.  But it doesn't matter
> because I don't have any incoming connections.
>
> And no, it doesn't mean phone calls, movie/music stream, SSL
> connections, etc. are terminated.  All of those are bi-directional
> connections and a change in IP address means at most seven packets would
> have to be resent to the new IP.
>
> >>  However, if there is a power failure and the system is out for an
> >> extended period of time (we've been without power for as long as
> >> five days), a new IP will most probably be reassigned.
> >
> > Power-cycling the modem will most often cause the same result (in other
> > words (very) short disconnections often do the same (unless the ISP has
some
> > kind of "lingering" implemented).
>
> Again, maybe or maybe not.  I've had short power outages here and have
> unplugged the router for short periods.  Each time the router rebooted
> and requested a new IP address.  My ISP gave it the same IP back.
>
> >>> They don't ?    Does that mean I can't go on a holliday and than
> >>> just continue shopping either ?    Who could have known ... /s
> >>
> >> Whether you can or not has absolutely nothing to do with whether
> >> the connection is maintained or not.
> >
> > One word: Whoosh! (it went over your head).
> >
> > But yes, it has got *nothing* to do with the connection.  Which was
exactly
> > what I tried to convey there (sarcasm and all that).
> >
>
> Gee, I thought the /s meant end of stupidity.
>
> > Regards,
> > Rudy Wieser
>
>
> --
> ==================
> Remove the "x" from my email address
> Jerry Stuckle
> jstucklex@attglobal.net
> ==================

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