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Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error.

From moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
Newsgroups sci.physics.relativity
Subject Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error.
Date 2017-06-18 14:30 +0000
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"HGW..." <hgw@....> writes:

>On 16/06/17 17:59, Paul B. Andersen wrote:
>> Den 15.06.2017 20.16, skrev HGW, DSc.:

>> https://paulba.no/paper/PPN_gamma_Hipparcos.pdf
>> 
>> The equation for the gravitational deflection of the light from
>> a star as observed by the Hipparcos satellite is:
>> 
>>   deflection_angle = (2GM/rc^2) x (1+gamma)/2 x sin(X)/(1-cos(X))

>That is the GR prediction.  So what?

No, Ralph, obviously you cannot understand what that equation means
because you stopped reading here.  You had to read the rest of the
sentence.

>> where G is the gravitational constant, c is the speed of light,
>> M is the mass of the Sun,
>> r is the distance from the centre of Sun to the Hipparcos satellite,
>> X is the angular distance between the Sun and the star.
>> 
>> gamma is the PPN parameter with the following meaning:
>> If you set gamma = 0, the equation is the Newtonian prediction,
>> if you set gamma = 1, the equation is the GR prediction.

See, Ralph?  That equation is the GR prediction *only if gamma=1*.
If gamma=0, that equation is the Newtonian prediction.

>> Hipparcos has measured the positions of thousands of stars with
>> extreme precision. There are many millions of measurements made
>> by Hipparcos, and among these measurements it is possible to find
>> how the light from a high number of stars are deflected by the Sun.

>The deflection is negligible.

No, Ralph, they gave an error of 0.003, which is comparatively quite
small.  Besides, if the deflection was negligible, the zero (measured)
deflections would cause the (1+gamma) term to be measured as zero (no
deflection) and therefore, gamma would be determined to be -1.  Gamma = -1
would match neither the Newtonian nor GR prediction.

>> These measured deflections can then be compared to the equation
>> above and gamma can be determined.
>> 
>> The result is that gamma = 0.997 ± 0.003

>A figure produced BY desperate dingleberries who know the answer they 
>want FOR deperate dingleberries who know the answer they want to see and 
>published in dingleberry owned journals who will do anything to support 
>the Grand Conspiracy.

You are projecting, Ralph. You are desperate in trying to salvage your
DirtyBaThWater beliefs because you know the answer you want to see, but
actual science does not come up with them.  However, you project your
desperation onto the scientists who actually did the work.  This is common
in the mentally ill.

>> This means that the measured angles are very close to
>> the prediction of GR, and twice the Newtonian prediction.
>> 
>> These measurements are not "on the limits of accuracy",
>> quite the contrary.
>> The difference between the angle predicted by Newton and
>> the measured angle is a factor of 2, the former is
>> 300 times the error bar too small.

>Paul, only an idiot would believe that. The deflections are all so 
>negligibly small that any minute error in Hipparcos reference angles 
>will produce whatever answer you want.

No, Ralph, "negligibly small" deflections (measured as ~zero) would come
up with gamma = -1 (gamma+1=0), which would match neither GR nor Newton.  
This did not happen, the error bar of 0.003 is quite good.

>This kind of paper is typical of the way the Grand Conspirators operate. 
>It pretends to associate the name Einstein with any physical advance of 
>importance, eg GPS, LIGO.

You are projecting again, inventing conspiracy theories to invent reasons
why scientists believe in actual science instead of your DirtyBaThWater.

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                Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2017-07-15 11:04 +0200
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                Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2017-07-17 09:53 +0200
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                Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2017-07-18 16:25 +0200
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                Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2017-07-19 15:05 +0200
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                Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2017-07-20 22:22 +0200
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                Re: Equivalence Principle Exemplifies Einstein's Error. "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2017-07-21 15:04 +0200
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