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Re: GPS Again.

From "HGW..." <hgw@....>
Newsgroups sci.physics.relativity, sci.physics
Subject Re: GPS Again.
Date 2017-06-12 20:12 +1000
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On 12/06/17 11:05, Sylvia Else wrote:
> On 12/06/2017 10:35 AM, HGW... wrote:

>>
>> It shouldn't be. It is actually very simple and clever. Of course the
>> waves aren't all actually numbered. As long as some are marked at
>> regular intervals the electronics can do the rest. I gather from the
>> Wiki article that phase differences are used. The hardest part might be
>> in knowing the receiver's clock error but since that will affect all
>> four paths equally, a small time discrepancy will only cause a
>> navigation error in height.
>>
>> Since wavelengths are absolute and virtually invariant over 85 msecs,
>> the idea is much smarter than using light speeds, which wander all over
>> the place.
>>
>> It appears that BaTh wins yet again.
>>
>>
>>
> The Wiki article is not very well expressed. Carrier phase tracking is 
> just a method of determining more precisely (down to small fractions of 
> a nano-second) the difference between the receiver's clock (which is 
> accurate enough in the short term) and the satellite's clock. The result 
> is still multiplied by the fixed speed of light to convert it to a 
> distance.

There is no point in arguing. It is obvious hat the developers have 
woken up to the fact that light speed is variable and the system is much 
much better using absolute wavelengths.

> 
> Sylvia.


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  Re: GPS Again. Ckeho Baùkora <unukn@owyqar.og> - 2017-05-26 21:01 +0000
    Re: GPS Again. "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-05-26 15:49 -0700
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  Re: GPS Again. dancouriann@gmail.com - 2017-05-26 15:50 -0700
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  GPS Again. "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-05-26 16:14 -0700
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  Re: GPS Again. xxein1x1@gmail.com - 2017-05-26 16:25 -0700
  Re: GPS Again. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-05-27 00:18 +0000
  Re: GPS Again. Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-05-26 19:51 -0500
    Re: GPS Again. Ckeho Baùkora <unukn@owyqar.og> - 2017-05-27 10:37 +0000
      Re: GPS Again. Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-05-30 09:57 -0500
        Re: GPS Again. Helmut Wabnig <hwabnig@.- --- -.dotat> - 2017-05-30 20:52 +0200
          Re: GPS Again. Ernest Rivers <erwm@weicnne.ac> - 2017-05-30 19:17 +0000
          Re: GPS Again. Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-05-30 15:23 -0500
            Re: GPS Again. Helmut Wabnig <hwabnig@.- --- -.dotat> - 2017-05-30 22:53 +0200
              Re: GPS Again. Ernest Schwanenflügel <erwm@wanenf.oa> - 2017-05-30 20:59 +0000
                Re: GPS Again. Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2017-05-31 00:42 +0200
              Re: GPS Again. Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-05-30 19:03 -0500
                Re: GPS Again. Serg io <invalid@invalid.com> - 2017-05-30 21:30 -0500
          Re: GPS Again. Serg io <invalid@invalid.com> - 2017-05-30 19:01 -0500
        Re: GPS Again. Ernest Rivers <erwm@weicnne.ac> - 2017-05-30 19:15 +0000
          Re: GPS Again. Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-06-09 11:37 +1000
            Re: GPS Again. Jim Limey <eeug@dnne.ri> - 2017-06-09 14:32 +0000
              Re: GPS Again. Serg io <invalid@invalid.com> - 2017-06-09 12:51 -0500
                Re: GPS Again. Kitubu Nkyaku <akntuu@buwkau.kk> - 2017-06-09 18:52 +0000
                Re: GPS Again. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-06-10 09:23 +1000
                Re: GPS Again. Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-06-10 11:23 +1000
              Re: GPS Again. Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-06-10 11:21 +1000
                Re: GPS Again. Kitubu Nkyaku <akntuu@buwkau.kk> - 2017-06-10 10:42 +0000
                Re: GPS Again. Serg io <invalid@invalid.com> - 2017-06-10 19:38 -0500
                Re: GPS Again. Nými Icelulózy <ejienm@wzsfwe.ul> - 2017-06-16 11:30 +0000
                Re: GPS Again. Sегgi о <iinvalid@invalid.com> - 2017-06-16 10:40 -0500
                Re: GPS Again. Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-06-11 11:11 +1000
                Re: GPS Again. Serg io <invalid@invalid.com> - 2017-06-10 21:20 -0500
                Re: GPS Again. Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-06-11 12:31 +1000
                Re: GPS Again. Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-06-10 22:40 -0500
                Re: GPS Again. Serg io <invalid@invalid.com> - 2017-06-10 23:20 -0500
                Re: GPS Again. "HGW, DSc." <HG@....> - 2017-06-11 05:14 +1000
                Re: GPS Again. "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2017-06-10 22:16 +0200
                Re: GPS Again. "HGW, DSc." <HG@....> - 2017-06-11 07:19 +1000
                Re: GPS Again. xxein1x1@gmail.com - 2017-06-10 16:11 -0700
                Re: GPS Again. Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-06-10 18:32 -0700
                Re: GPS Again. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-06-11 14:43 +1000
                Re: GPS Again. Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-06-13 07:50 -0700
                Re: GPS Again. Lolek Atoru <oitiruc@rwuca.oa> - 2017-06-13 20:56 +0000
                Re: GPS Again. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-06-14 09:25 +1000
                Re: GPS Again. Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-06-13 17:02 -0700
                Re: GPS Again. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-06-14 12:36 +1000
                Re: GPS Again. Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-06-13 20:04 -0700
                Re: GPS Again. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-06-14 04:43 +0000
                Re: GPS Again. "HGW, DSc." <HG@....> - 2017-06-14 20:11 +1000
                Re: GPS Again. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-06-14 14:47 +0000
                Re: GPS Again. "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2017-06-11 22:35 +0200
                Re: GPS Again. Serg io <invalid@invalid.com> - 2017-06-11 15:44 -0500
                Re: GPS Again. Serg io <invalid@invalid.com> - 2017-06-11 18:03 -0500
                Re: GPS Again. Serg io <invalid@invalid.com> - 2017-06-11 19:00 -0500
                Re: GPS Again. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-06-12 11:39 +1000
                Re: GPS Again. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-06-12 02:33 +0000
                Re: GPS Again. Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-06-11 22:42 -0500
                Re: GPS Again. Serg io <invalid@invalid.com> - 2017-06-11 23:27 -0500
                Re: GPS Again. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-06-12 04:47 +0000
                Re: GPS Again. Serg io <invalid@invalid.com> - 2017-06-12 08:20 -0500
                Re: GPS Again. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-06-12 17:18 +0000
                Re: GPS Again. Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2017-06-15 10:06 -0700
                Re: GPS Again. Kotovanich Nzerovu <ivhvruo@wovewvw.ev> - 2017-06-15 17:30 +0000
                Re: GPS Again. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-06-12 18:15 -0400
                Re: GPS Again. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-06-12 22:32 +0000
                Re: GPS Again. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-06-12 20:48 -0400
                Re: GPS Again. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-06-13 01:52 +0000
                Re: GPS Again. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-06-13 19:57 -0400
                Re: GPS Again. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-06-14 00:46 +0000
                Re: GPS Again. Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-06-12 09:58 -0500
                Re: GPS Again. Selina Dieter <uiueeits@wlwtwstd.ci> - 2017-06-12 15:08 +0000
                Re: GPS Again. Serg io <invalid@invalid.com> - 2017-06-12 10:37 -0500
                Re: GPS Again. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-06-12 17:21 +0000
                Re: GPS Again. Selina Dieter <uiueeits@wlwtwstd.ci> - 2017-06-12 17:40 +0000
                Re: GPS Again. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-06-12 18:05 +0000
                Re: GPS Again. Selina Dieter <uiueeits@wlwtwstd.ci> - 2017-06-12 18:19 +0000
                Re: GPS Again. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-06-12 19:16 +0000
                Re: GPS Again. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-06-12 19:43 +0000
                Re: GPS Again. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-06-12 18:25 -0400
                Re: GPS Again. Serg io <invalid@invalid.com> - 2017-06-12 18:45 -0500
                Re: GPS Again. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-06-12 10:35 +1000
                Re: GPS Again. Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-06-12 11:05 +1000
                Re: GPS Again. Serg io <invalid@invalid.com> - 2017-06-11 23:29 -0500
                Re: GPS Again. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-06-12 20:12 +1000
                Re: GPS Again. Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-06-12 13:54 +0200
                Re: GPS Again. Selina Dieter <uiueeits@wlwtwstd.ci> - 2017-06-12 12:47 +0000
                Re: GPS Again. "HGW, DSc." <HG@....> - 2017-06-13 04:13 +1000
                Re: GPS Again. Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-06-13 12:59 +1000
                Re: GPS Again. mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-06-12 23:03 -0700
                Re: GPS Again. "HGW, DSc." <HG@....> - 2017-06-13 04:22 +1000
                Re: GPS Again. Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-06-13 13:00 +1000
                Re: GPS Again. Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-06-13 13:32 -0500
                Re: GPS Again. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-06-14 10:09 +1000
                Re: GPS Again. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-06-14 09:34 +1000
                Re: GPS Again. Серг ио <invalid@invalid.com> - 2017-06-13 18:42 -0500
                Re: GPS Again. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-06-14 12:40 +1000
                Re: GPS Again. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-06-14 04:06 +0000
                Re: GPS Again. mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-06-14 01:20 -0700
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                Re: GPS Again. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-06-16 20:40 -0400
                Re: GPS Again. Ecembre Abin <umueuu@eibbwaw.ee> - 2017-06-17 08:05 +0000
                Re: GPS Again. "HGW, DSc." <HG@....> - 2017-06-17 22:20 +1000
                Re: GPS Again. Sегgi о <iinvalid@invalid.com> - 2017-06-17 07:58 -0500
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        Re: GPS Again. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-05-31 09:58 +1000
  Re: GPS Again. "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2017-05-27 07:36 +0200
    Re: GPS Again. "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-05-28 10:57 +1000
  Re: GPS Again. Rafael Valls Hidalgo-Gato <rvalls162@gmail.com> - 2017-05-31 07:02 -0700
    Re: GPS Again. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-06-01 09:00 +1000
      Re: GPS Again. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-31 23:42 +0000
        Re: GPS Again. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-06-01 19:36 +1000
          Re: GPS Again. Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-06-01 05:33 -0700
            Re: GPS Again. "HGW, DSc." <HG@....> - 2017-06-02 19:51 +1000
              Re: GPS Again. Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-06-03 05:10 -0700
                Re: GPS Again. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-06-04 08:08 +1000
                Re: GPS Again. Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-06-03 15:27 -0700
                Re: GPS Again. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-06-04 08:50 +1000
                Re: GPS Again. pnalsing@gmail.com - 2017-06-03 19:37 -0700
                Re: GPS Again. Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-06-04 07:09 +0200
                Re: GPS Again. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-06-04 16:06 +1000
                Re: GPS Again. Prudence Youngs <usue@weuem.ge> - 2017-06-04 11:11 +0000
                Re: GPS Again. Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-06-04 14:23 +0200
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                Re: GPS Again. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-06-04 18:17 +0000
                Re: GPS Again. Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-06-04 05:06 -0700
                Re: GPS Again. Prudence Youngs <usue@weuem.ge> - 2017-06-04 12:12 +0000
                Re: GPS Again. anne <0140519@gmail.com> - 2017-06-04 05:32 -0700
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                Re: GPS Again. Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-06-04 16:09 -0700
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                Re: GPS Again. Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-06-04 19:24 -0700
                Re: GPS Again. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-06-05 16:38 +1000
                Re: GPS Again. Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-06-05 04:49 -0700
                Re: GPS Again. mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-06-05 05:53 -0700
                Re: GPS Again. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-06-06 08:38 +1000
                Re: GPS Again. Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-06-05 20:30 -0700
                Re: GPS Again. Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-06-04 15:00 +0200
                Re: GPS Again. Prudence Youngs <usue@weuem.ge> - 2017-06-04 11:10 +0000
                Re: GPS Again. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-06-04 13:25 +0000
                Re: GPS Again. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-06-05 08:46 +1000
                Re: GPS Again. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-06-04 23:13 +0000
                Re: GPS Again. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-06-05 11:16 +1000
                Re: GPS Again. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-06-05 09:26 -0500
                Re: GPS Again. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-06-06 08:46 +1000
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