Re: Heap's algorithm

From	rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com>
Newsgroups	comp.lang.forth
Subject	Re: Heap's algorithm
Date	2017-06-11 12:32 -0400
Organization	A noiseless patient Spider
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Alex wrote on 6/11/2017 5:45 AM:
> On 6/11/2017 10:35, minforth@arcor.de wrote:
>> Am Sonntag, 11. Juni 2017 10:43:10 UTC+2 schrieb Alex:
>>> On 6/11/2017 05:19, Ron Aaron wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 06/11/17 07:08, Julian Fondren wrote:
>>>>> On Saturday, June 10, 2017 at 11:04:30 PM UTC-5, hughag...@gmail.com
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> On Saturday, June 10, 2017 at 7:19:44 PM UTC-7, Julian Fondren wrote:
>>>>>>> But if your defense is, "this is 'generic', I know it's slower", you
>>>>>>> could at least stop pretending that people are insane or filled with
>>>>>>> evil for wanting code that's like 7x faster.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Why claim that your code is only 7x faster than mine?
>>>>>
>>>>> Because of the benchmark above.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Why not claim that it is 700x faster? Go big or go home! LOL
>>>>>
>>>>> Since moving more data is slower than moving less that, a benchmark
>>>>> like this is probably possible. A near 7x difference was seen with
>>>>> just 10-cell structs.
>>>>
>>>> He doesn't believe in measuring or (apparently) empirical data.  Don't
>>>> waste your time
>>>>
>>>
>>> The list of things Hugh doesn't understand is very large, and as I've
>>> said before, it includes pointers and sorting. He keeps repeating this
>>> nonsense about sorting arrays by moving the contents. He's never going
>>> to understand.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Alex
>>
>> Well I try to never pronounce sentence over someone who is honestly
>> trying, but comes up with a not yet optimal solution.
>
> Good on you.
>
> But I do. There's no honesty. It's Hugh's way or the highway. And this isn't
> about trying; it's about...
>
>>
>> I don't read his posts because he had been unpolite too often, not
>> because he hasn't got a science degree.
>>
>
> ... this. He is fine as long as you don't disagree with him. Then he is, to
> be frank, not someone you would ever want to be in the same room with.
>
> I don't have a science degree either, but I read & listen to others who
> have. Hugh doesn't do any of the latter, by his own admission.

Formal education is rather overrated and this is from someone with a masters 
degree, so I have some basis for knowing what I'm talking about.  Even with 
a masters degree I only left school with a basic education in engineering 
and learned much more on the job than I came to work with.

When I started as an engineer a degree was not required, good thing as my BS 
was in Biochemistry.  I worked on my degree while working as an associate 
engineer and when I graduated I was told there would be no raise for 
obtaining the degree... so I found another job where the MS degree was 
valued.  The MS degree has been a profitable flag to have on my resume ever 
since.

I'm not saying I didn't learn anything in graduate school, just the 
opposite.  I think I learned much more quickly than I would have on the job. 
  But for the most part I didn't gain much that I wouldn't or couldn't have 
picked up in a few years of working in the field.  Mostly I learned an 
appreciation for doing the work in a structured manner which was only 
promoted by employers some 10 or more years later.

> The combination of the two toxic behaviours is getting him this; you can't
> blame me (or others here) for Hugh's stupidity on these counts, nor our
> reaction to his technically incompetent and near insane posts.

I'm pretty over trying to have any useful communication with people like 
that.  There are far too many of them on the Internet and far too little 
time.  I want to try to spend some time on useful projects.

-- 

Rick C

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Heap's algorithm Julian Fondren <julian.fondren@gmail.com> - 2017-06-08 23:21 -0700
  Re: Heap's algorithm Raimond Dragomir <raimond.dragomir@gmail.com> - 2017-06-09 00:27 -0700
    Re: Heap's algorithm Julian Fondren <julian.fondren@gmail.com> - 2017-06-09 01:40 -0700
      Re: Heap's algorithm Raimond Dragomir <raimond.dragomir@gmail.com> - 2017-06-09 02:15 -0700
        Re: Heap's algorithm Julian Fondren <julian.fondren@gmail.com> - 2017-06-09 03:04 -0700
          Re: Heap's algorithm Raimond Dragomir <raimond.dragomir@gmail.com> - 2017-06-09 03:50 -0700
            Re: Heap's algorithm Julian Fondren <julian.fondren@gmail.com> - 2017-06-09 07:37 -0700
              Re: Heap's algorithm Coos Haak <htrofhc@gmail.com> - 2017-06-09 19:50 +0200
                Re: Heap's algorithm Julian Fondren <julian.fondren@gmail.com> - 2017-06-09 11:32 -0700
            Re: Heap's algorithm Julian Fondren <julian.fondren@gmail.com> - 2017-06-09 07:54 -0700
            Re: Heap's algorithm Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2017-06-09 10:11 -0500
              Re: Heap's algorithm Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2017-06-09 18:43 +0100
          Re: Heap's algorithm rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-06-09 11:18 -0400
            Re: Heap's algorithm Julian Fondren <julian.fondren@gmail.com> - 2017-06-09 08:42 -0700
              Re: Heap's algorithm rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-06-09 13:43 -0400
      Re: Heap's algorithm Lars Brinkhoff <lars.spam@nocrew.org> - 2017-06-09 13:08 +0200
    Re: Heap's algorithm hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-06-09 09:35 -0700
      Re: Heap's algorithm Julian Fondren <julian.fondren@gmail.com> - 2017-06-09 23:31 -0700
        Re: Heap's algorithm hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-06-10 14:28 -0700
          Re: Heap's algorithm Julian Fondren <julian.fondren@gmail.com> - 2017-06-10 14:44 -0700
            Re: Heap's algorithm hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-06-10 18:56 -0700
              Re: Heap's algorithm Julian Fondren <julian.fondren@gmail.com> - 2017-06-10 19:19 -0700
                Re: Heap's algorithm hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-06-10 21:04 -0700
                Re: Heap's algorithm Julian Fondren <julian.fondren@gmail.com> - 2017-06-10 21:08 -0700
                Re: Heap's algorithm Ron Aaron <rambamist@gmail.com> - 2017-06-11 07:19 +0300
                Re: Heap's algorithm Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2017-06-11 09:43 +0100
                Re: Heap's algorithm minforth@arcor.de - 2017-06-11 02:35 -0700
                Re: Heap's algorithm Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2017-06-11 10:45 +0100
                Re: Heap's algorithm rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-06-11 12:32 -0400
                Re: Heap's algorithm Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2017-06-11 17:52 +0100
                Re: Heap's algorithm rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-06-12 23:26 -0400
                Re: Heap's algorithm hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-06-12 19:55 -0700
                Re: Heap's algorithm krishna.myneni@ccreweb.org - 2017-06-11 14:40 -0700
                Re: Heap's algorithm hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-06-12 09:02 -0700
                Re: Heap's algorithm hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-06-10 21:30 -0700
                Re: Heap's algorithm Julian Fondren <julian.fondren@gmail.com> - 2017-06-10 21:51 -0700
                Re: Heap's algorithm "Robert L." <No_spamming@noWhere_7073.org> - 2017-06-12 02:24 +0000
                Re: Heap's algorithm Julian Fondren <julian.fondren@gmail.com> - 2017-06-11 19:28 -0700
                Re: Heap's algorithm Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2017-06-12 03:41 +0000
                Re: Heap's algorithm hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-06-14 22:15 -0700
                Re: Heap's algorithm Ron Aaron <rambamist@gmail.com> - 2017-06-15 08:29 +0300
                Re: Heap's algorithm Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2017-06-15 12:24 +0100
                Re: Heap's algorithm Ron Aaron <rambamist@gmail.com> - 2017-06-15 15:59 +0300
                Re: Heap's algorithm hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-06-16 01:25 -0700
                Re: Heap's algorithm awegel@arcor.de (Alexander Wegel) - 2017-06-15 14:08 +0200
                Re: Heap's algorithm hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-06-16 10:46 -0700
                Re: Heap's algorithm awegel@arcor.de (Alexander Wegel) - 2017-06-17 02:47 +0200
  Re: Heap's algorithm Julian Fondren <julian.fondren@gmail.com> - 2017-06-09 00:31 -0700
  Re: Heap's algorithm Coos Haak <htrofhc@gmail.com> - 2017-06-09 12:32 +0200
  Re: Heap's algorithm hum9 <obi65537@gmail.com> - 2017-06-09 10:03 -0700
    Re: Heap's algorithm hum9 <obi65537@gmail.com> - 2017-06-09 22:28 -0700
  Re: Heap's algorithm hum9 <obi65537@gmail.com> - 2017-06-10 03:07 -0700
    Re: Heap's algorithm Julian Fondren <julian.fondren@gmail.com> - 2017-06-10 05:41 -0700
      Re: Heap's algorithm hum9 <obi65537@gmail.com> - 2017-06-10 18:05 +0300
  Re: Heap's algorithm "Robert L." <No_spamming@noWhere_7073.org> - 2017-06-12 03:32 +0000
    Re: Heap's algorithm "Robert L." <No_spamming@noWhere_7073.org> - 2017-06-12 03:35 +0000
      Re: Heap's algorithm "Robert L." <No_spamming@noWhere_7073.org> - 2017-06-12 04:01 +0000
      Re: Heap's algorithm "Robert L." <No_spamming@noWhere_7073.org> - 2017-06-12 11:01 +0000
    Re: Heap's algorithm Julian Fondren <julian.fondren@gmail.com> - 2017-06-11 21:14 -0700
      Re: Heap's algorithm Julian Fondren <julian.fondren@gmail.com> - 2017-06-11 22:00 -0700
        Re: Heap's algorithm Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2017-06-12 07:54 +0000
          Re: Heap's algorithm Julian Fondren <julian.fondren@gmail.com> - 2017-06-12 01:13 -0700
            Re: Heap's algorithm Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2017-06-12 08:20 +0000
  Re: Heap's algorithm Gerry Jackson <gerry@jackson9000.fsnet.co.uk> - 2017-06-14 20:17 +0100
    Re: Heap's algorithm hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-06-16 01:16 -0700
      Re: Heap's algorithm Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2017-06-16 15:14 +0100
        Re: Heap's algorithm Gerry Jackson <gerry@jackson9000.fsnet.co.uk> - 2017-06-16 20:15 +0100
      Re: Heap's algorithm Gerry Jackson <gerry@jackson9000.fsnet.co.uk> - 2017-06-16 20:14 +0100
        Re: Heap's algorithm hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-06-16 19:35 -0700

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