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Re: What maximum power inverter for car?

From Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid>
Newsgroups sci.electronics.design
Subject Re: What maximum power inverter for car?
Date 2017-05-15 14:14 -0700
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On 5/15/2017 11:01 AM, oldschool@tubes.com wrote:
> I'm curious. How do you know the amperage needed to run that inverter?

Power = Amps * Volts

With all things consumer, there's a bit of tongue inserted in cheek.
I.e., they may assume your battery is at 14.4V instead of *9* (which
is where it will be when the engine is cranking).   And, may simply
indicate the *rating* of the components used inside -- I've got a
2200VA UPS plugged into a 15A mains circuit (clearly the branch
circuit won't be able to supply that 2200VA!)

> (Or any inverter). For example, I have a 300W inverter that plugs into
> the cig lighter in a car. I dont know how much amps it draws, but it has
> to be less than 20A, because cig lighters are usually fused at 20A or
> less. I use this inverter mostly for a laptop computer, so I can use the
> laptop at WIFI spots from inside the car. I know the laptop dont need
> the full 300W, but it still uses some power. I have run that inverter

Laptop is probably 40-60W.  I have a portable inverter for emergency use
that is wired directly to the *battery*, with its own internal fuse.

> for as much as 6 hours, without running the car engine. Only once did I
> drain the battery enough that the car would not start, but that was over
> 6 hours use on a weak battery, and with the dome light turned on most of
> the time too. (I had the battery tested after that, and it needed to be
> replaced).
>
> I have a friend who bought an older Ford van, which came with a camper
> package, including a TV, VCR, and a built in 1200W inverter. The van's
> altternator was 140A. For some reason that alternator or the regulator
> kept failing, and he said it cost a fortune to repair. He said he did
> not need or use the inverter, so he disconnected it. He dont use a VCR,
> and the analog TV is worthless without a converter box for on the air
> tv. Anyhow, after spending lots of money on alternator repairs, he
> changed it to a standard 60 or 65A Chevy alt with built in regulator.
> (That took a little modification of the brackets).

Often, all you have to do is replace the diode trio ("bridge") inside
the alternator.  Usually a handful of dollars and 10 minutes of
your time (given that you have to plan on removing and reinstalling
*an* alternator, regardless).

> He has not had any problems since. Aside from a few extra (dome) lights
> in the rear, it's just a basic vehicle now, without the inverter and
> tv/vcr. So he dont need all that extra amperage.

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    Re: What maximum power inverter for car? oldschool@tubes.com - 2017-05-15 14:01 -0400
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