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Re: Reality versus Math

From	Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Newsgroups	sci.physics.relativity
Subject	Re: Reality versus Math
Date	2017-05-11 14:24 -0500
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On 5/11/17 1:57 PM, Kevin Aylward wrote:
> 
> Unfortunately, it is absolutely stunning that rational PH.d qualified 
> individuals do not understand that a mathematical technique such has 
> summing up all possible paths to get to QM, does not infer in any way 
> shape or form that an object can physicaly do such a thing. They say 
> this despite a fundamental axiom of QM states that the only possible 
> result of a measurement, i.e. a physical fact, is a single eigenvalue.

I've seen you say this before. In quantum mechanics, there are certain 
properties that are NOT eigenvalues in an experimental setup, and cannot 
become eigenvalues unless you CHANGE the setup, which in turn affects 
the outcome. Position or trajectory is one of those properties that does 
NOT HAVE an eigenvalue in a double-slit experiment, and therefore it is 
incorrect to say that QM insists on a single path. It does no such thing.

In particular one thing that stands out is that the interference pattern 
can apparently only be understood if the particle behaves AS IF it 
passes though possible paths. If you do not allow the summation over all 
possible paths, then you get the wrong answer. So then the question 
becomes, if it behaves AS IF it traveled all possible paths, then what 
is the obstruction to saying that it did?

-- 
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

Thread

Reality versus Math Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-05-06 07:41 -0700
  Re: Reality versus Math Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@hotspam.not> - 2017-05-06 16:43 +0200
    Re: Reality versus Math "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-05-06 07:51 -0700
      Re: Reality versus Math Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-05-06 08:08 -0700
        Re: Reality versus Math "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-05-06 08:37 -0700
          Re: Reality versus Math "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-05-13 13:44 -0700
  Re: Reality versus Math Python <python@example.invalid> - 2017-05-06 17:25 +0200
  Re: Reality versus Math Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2017-05-06 08:35 -0700
    Re: Reality versus Math Prijzen Sörözésekre <ouwu@wueidewliiut.te> - 2017-05-06 15:56 +0000
    Re: Reality versus Math Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-05-06 08:57 -0700
      Re: Reality versus Math Prijzen Sörözésekre <ouwu@wueidewliiut.te> - 2017-05-06 16:27 +0000
      Re: Reality versus Math Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-05-06 09:35 -0700
        Re: Reality versus Math Kého Resované <knau@wjf2op.we> - 2017-05-06 16:50 +0000
          Re: Reality versus Math Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2017-05-07 01:56 +0200
  Re: Reality versus Math dancouriann@gmail.com - 2017-05-06 09:38 -0700
    Re: Reality versus Math Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-05-06 09:58 -0700
      Re: Reality versus Math dancouriann@gmail.com - 2017-05-06 10:06 -0700
        Re: Reality versus Math Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-05-06 10:29 -0700
          Re: Reality versus Math Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-05-06 11:00 -0700
            Re: Reality versus Math Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-05-06 12:51 -0700
              Re: Reality versus Math Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-05-06 13:44 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-05-06 14:30 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-05-06 14:52 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-05-06 15:53 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-05-07 09:33 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-05-07 18:47 +0200
                Re: Reality versus Math Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@hotspam.not> - 2017-05-07 19:07 +0200
                Re: Reality versus Math Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-05-07 10:27 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@hotspam.not> - 2017-05-07 19:57 +0200
                Re: Reality versus Math Bordamos Alamidade <dd@dsmdawo.ab> - 2017-05-07 18:03 +0000
                Re: Reality versus Math Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-05-07 19:34 +0200
                Re: Reality versus Math Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-05-07 10:40 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-05-07 10:45 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math Bordamos Alamidade <dd@dsmdawo.ab> - 2017-05-07 17:46 +0000
                Re: Reality versus Math "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-05-07 10:55 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-05-07 19:55 +0200
                Re: Reality versus Math Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-05-07 12:04 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-05-07 12:11 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-05-07 13:01 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-05-07 13:06 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-05-07 13:10 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-05-07 13:38 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-05-07 13:48 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math polyfrag@gmail.com - 2017-05-07 14:37 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@hotspam.not> - 2017-05-07 23:51 +0200
                Re: Reality versus Math Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-05-08 09:04 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2017-05-08 09:37 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-05-08 10:28 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-05-07 13:33 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math Bordamos Alamidade <dd@dsmdawo.ab> - 2017-05-07 21:01 +0000
                Re: Reality versus Math Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-05-07 22:39 +0200
                Re: Reality versus Math Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-05-07 13:53 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-05-07 23:29 +0200
                Re: Reality versus Math Bordamos Alamidade <dd@dsmdawo.ab> - 2017-05-07 20:54 +0000
                Re: Reality versus Math Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-05-07 07:51 +0200
          Re: Reality versus Math dancouriann@gmail.com - 2017-05-06 12:06 -0700
            Re: Reality versus Math Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-05-06 13:11 -0700
              Re: Reality versus Math dancouriann@gmail.com - 2017-05-06 14:26 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-05-07 09:49 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-05-07 19:09 +0200
                Re: Reality versus Math Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-05-07 10:36 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-05-07 19:51 +0200
                Re: Reality versus Math Bordamos Alamidade <dd@dsmdawo.ab> - 2017-05-07 17:57 +0000
                Re: Reality versus Math "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-05-07 21:27 +0100
                Re: Reality versus Math Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-05-07 22:45 +0200
                Re: Reality versus Math Bordamos Alamidade <dd@dsmdawo.ab> - 2017-05-07 20:58 +0000
                Re: Reality versus Math Bordamos Alamidade <dd@dsmdawo.ab> - 2017-05-07 17:49 +0000
                Re: Reality versus Math Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-05-07 19:58 +0200
                Re: Reality versus Math Bordamos Alamidade <dd@dsmdawo.ab> - 2017-05-07 18:01 +0000
                Re: Reality versus Math pnalsing@gmail.com - 2017-05-07 20:57 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-05-07 10:18 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math dancouriann@gmail.com - 2017-05-07 10:24 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2017-05-07 14:16 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-05-07 14:30 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math dancouriann@gmail.com - 2017-05-07 20:10 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-05-08 08:49 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2017-05-08 09:39 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-05-08 10:23 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math polyfrag@gmail.com - 2017-05-08 10:15 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-05-08 12:35 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math dancouriann@gmail.com - 2017-05-08 11:53 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-05-08 12:37 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math dancouriann@gmail.com - 2017-05-08 13:06 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-05-08 13:21 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-08 15:33 -0500
                Re: Reality versus Math dancouriann@gmail.com - 2017-05-08 14:16 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-05-09 07:48 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math Python <python@example.invalid> - 2017-05-09 16:59 +0200
                Re: Reality versus Math Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-05-09 08:17 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math Python <python@example.invalid> - 2017-05-09 17:38 +0200
                Re: Reality versus Math Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-05-09 09:18 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math Python <python@example.invalid> - 2017-05-09 18:20 +0200
                Re: Reality versus Math Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-05-09 09:24 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math Python <python@example.invalid> - 2017-05-09 18:26 +0200
                Re: Reality versus Math Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-05-09 09:37 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math Python <python@example.invalid> - 2017-05-09 18:41 +0200
                Re: Reality versus Math Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-05-09 09:58 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math Python <python@example.invalid> - 2017-05-09 19:01 +0200
                Re: Reality versus Math Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-05-09 12:59 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2017-05-16 11:15 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-05-16 12:55 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-05-16 13:03 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2017-05-16 13:12 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-16 16:10 -0500
                Re: Reality versus Math kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-05-19 06:22 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-19 08:39 -0500
                Re: Reality versus Math kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-05-19 07:01 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@hotspam.not> - 2017-05-19 16:30 +0200
                Re: Reality versus Math mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-19 10:03 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@hotspam.not> - 2017-05-19 23:18 +0200
                Re: Reality versus Math Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-19 12:05 -0500
                Re: Reality versus Math kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-05-19 13:09 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math Houchiko Inatsuki <uatci@swckskuwe.io> - 2017-05-19 20:19 +0000
                Re: Reality versus Math anne <0140519@gmail.com> - 2017-05-19 13:43 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-05-20 05:49 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-19 16:17 -0500
                Re: Reality versus Math mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-19 07:04 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-05-19 10:04 -0500
                Re: Reality versus Math mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-19 10:04 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2017-05-16 18:54 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-17 10:57 -0500
                Re: Reality versus Math "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-05-16 19:31 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-05-17 12:53 -0500
                Re: Reality versus Math kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-05-18 05:05 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-05-18 05:31 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-05-18 06:20 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-05-18 06:23 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-05-18 06:40 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-05-18 06:30 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-05-18 06:51 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2017-05-17 12:51 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-05-17 15:31 -0500
                Re: Reality versus Math mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-17 23:11 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-05-18 20:21 +0100
                Re: Reality versus Math Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-05-18 12:44 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-05-18 19:14 -0500
                Re: Reality versus Math "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-05-18 17:26 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-18 23:29 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-05-17 14:27 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-05-17 14:39 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-05-17 14:53 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-05-17 14:29 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-18 09:03 -0500
                Re: Reality versus Math RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2017-05-17 13:01 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-05-16 21:43 +0100
                Re: Reality versus Math Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-16 16:11 -0500
                Re: Reality versus Math mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-16 22:31 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-05-17 20:53 +0100
                Re: Reality versus Math Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-17 15:37 -0500
                Re: Reality versus Math "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-05-18 20:20 +0100
                Re: Reality versus Math dancouriann@gmail.com - 2017-05-09 09:35 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-05-09 09:45 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math dancouriann@gmail.com - 2017-05-09 10:01 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-05-09 13:08 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-05-09 13:52 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math dancouriann@gmail.com - 2017-05-09 13:52 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-05-09 15:03 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math dancouriann@gmail.com - 2017-05-09 15:13 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-05-09 16:19 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-05-10 08:17 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2017-05-10 09:11 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-05-10 09:34 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-05-10 12:59 -0500
                Re: Reality versus Math Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-05-10 12:04 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-05-10 18:51 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-10 23:31 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2017-05-10 11:55 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-05-10 14:10 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-05-11 15:49 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@hotspam.not> - 2017-05-10 17:10 +0200
                Re: Reality versus Math Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-05-10 08:35 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math dancouriann@gmail.com - 2017-05-10 17:31 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-05-11 08:20 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math dancouriann@gmail.com - 2017-05-11 16:30 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-05-11 16:49 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-05-12 06:49 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math dancouriann@gmail.com - 2017-05-12 07:47 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-05-12 09:23 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2017-05-12 09:31 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math dancouriann@gmail.com - 2017-05-12 10:18 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-12 15:12 -0500
                Re: Reality versus Math dancouriann@gmail.com - 2017-05-12 10:24 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-05-12 11:45 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-05-12 14:03 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-12 17:12 -0500
                Re: Reality versus Math Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-12 17:14 -0500
                Re: Reality versus Math Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-05-12 15:40 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-05-13 07:18 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-05-13 08:17 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-05-13 08:34 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-05-13 08:43 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-05-13 09:13 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math dancouriann@gmail.com - 2017-05-13 12:14 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-13 15:27 -0500
                Re: Reality versus Math Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-13 13:47 -0500
                Re: Reality versus Math mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-14 04:03 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-05-13 12:07 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-05-13 22:37 +0100
                Re: Reality versus Math "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-05-13 14:45 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-05-13 20:21 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-05-13 21:02 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-05-13 22:27 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-05-14 11:34 +0100
                Re: Reality versus Math Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-05-14 05:22 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-05-14 05:51 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-05-14 19:57 +0100
                Re: Reality versus Math "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-05-14 12:13 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-05-14 13:12 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-05-15 21:34 +0100
                Re: Reality versus Math "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-05-15 13:47 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-05-15 15:45 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-05-15 16:53 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-15 23:16 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-05-16 04:40 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-16 06:20 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-05-16 06:58 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math Houchiko Inatsuki <uatci@swckskuwe.io> - 2017-05-14 10:49 +0000
                Re: Reality versus Math Houchiko Inatsuki <uatci@swckskuwe.io> - 2017-05-13 14:37 +0000
                Re: Reality versus Math Python <python@example.invalid> - 2017-05-13 17:21 +0200
                Re: Reality versus Math Houchiko Inatsuki <uatci@swckskuwe.io> - 2017-05-13 18:33 +0000
                Re: Reality versus Math dancouriann@gmail.com - 2017-05-12 16:22 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2017-05-12 21:11 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-05-09 16:13 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2017-05-10 08:41 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-05-10 08:57 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2017-05-10 09:23 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-05-10 09:33 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2017-05-10 10:43 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2017-05-09 17:07 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2017-05-09 17:09 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-05-10 08:12 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-05-10 08:49 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math Python <python@example.invalid> - 2017-05-10 17:41 +0200
                Re: Reality versus Math Python <python@example.invalid> - 2017-05-10 17:42 +0200
                Re: Reality versus Math rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2017-05-10 08:45 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-10 11:54 -0500
                Re: Reality versus Math rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2017-05-10 10:49 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-05-10 11:56 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-05-10 12:26 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-05-10 12:32 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-05-10 13:38 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@hotspam.not> - 2017-05-10 22:45 +0200
                Re: Reality versus Math Jean-Pierre Framboise <nctede@pmdcehr.cc> - 2017-05-10 21:00 +0000
                Re: Reality versus Math Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-05-10 14:29 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2017-05-10 20:10 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-05-11 08:29 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math Python <python@example.invalid> - 2017-05-11 17:39 +0200
                Re: Reality versus Math rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2017-05-11 08:43 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-05-11 17:52 +0200
                Re: Reality versus Math Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-05-11 09:19 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-05-11 18:25 +0200
                Re: Reality versus Math Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-05-11 09:30 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@hotspam.not> - 2017-05-11 18:30 +0200
                Re: Reality versus Math Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-05-11 09:36 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@hotspam.not> - 2017-05-11 19:21 +0200
                Re: Reality versus Math shuba <thailao2558@gmail.com> - 2017-05-11 22:03 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@hotspam.not> - 2017-05-12 11:45 +0200
                Re: Reality versus Math mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-12 03:06 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2017-05-11 18:28 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-05-12 06:52 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2017-05-12 09:21 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-05-12 09:33 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-05-12 10:04 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math Python <python@example.invalid> - 2017-05-12 19:39 +0200
                Re: Reality versus Math "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-05-12 10:49 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-12 15:13 -0500
                Re: Reality versus Math rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2017-05-12 20:50 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-05-11 18:47 +0200
                Re: Reality versus Math Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@hotspam.not> - 2017-05-11 19:19 +0200
                Re: Reality versus Math rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2017-05-11 18:28 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2017-05-11 18:25 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-10 16:27 -0500
                Re: Reality versus Math Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-10 15:31 -0500
                Re: Reality versus Math rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2017-05-09 16:50 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-05-11 19:57 +0100
                Re: Reality versus Math Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-11 14:24 -0500
                Re: Reality versus Math "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-05-12 21:47 +0100
                Re: Reality versus Math Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-12 16:27 -0500
                Re: Reality versus Math "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-05-12 23:40 +0100
                Re: Reality versus Math Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-13 08:33 -0500
                Re: Reality versus Math "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-05-13 22:26 +0100
                Re: Reality versus Math Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-13 19:16 -0500
                Re: Reality versus Math "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-05-14 10:57 +0100
                Re: Reality versus Math Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-14 16:46 -0500
                Re: Reality versus Math "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-05-15 21:55 +0100
                Re: Reality versus Math Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-15 16:46 -0500
                Re: Reality versus Math "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-05-16 21:59 +0100
                Re: Reality versus Math Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-15 16:47 -0500
                Re: Reality versus Math "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-05-16 21:43 +0100
                Re: Reality versus Math RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2017-05-18 15:50 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-05-19 20:22 +0100
                Re: Reality versus Math "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-05-19 12:31 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-05-19 12:33 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-05-19 12:39 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-05-20 10:27 +0100
                Re: Reality versus Math Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-05-20 05:09 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-13 08:33 -0500
                Re: Reality versus Math "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-05-13 22:05 +0100
                Re: Reality versus Math Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-13 19:03 -0500
                Re: Reality versus Math "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-05-14 11:24 +0100
                Re: Reality versus Math Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-14 16:49 -0500
                Re: Reality versus Math Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-14 16:50 -0500
                Re: Reality versus Math Jean-Pierre Framboise <nctede@pmdcehr.cc> - 2017-05-11 19:33 +0000
                Re: Reality versus Math Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-05-11 13:08 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math Houchiko Inatsuki <uatci@swckskuwe.io> - 2017-05-11 21:16 +0000
                Re: Reality versus Math "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-05-12 20:56 +0100
                Re: Reality versus Math Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-05-11 13:05 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-11 16:07 -0500
                Re: Reality versus Math Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-08 15:07 -0500
  Re: Reality versus Math Larry Harson <johnmcandrew66@gmail.com> - 2017-05-08 13:14 -0700
    Re: Reality versus Math Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-08 15:20 -0500
    Re: Reality versus Math Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-05-08 13:31 -0700
      Re: Reality versus Math Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-08 15:35 -0500
  Re: Reality versus Math Larry Harson <johnmcandrew66@gmail.com> - 2017-05-08 15:27 -0700
    Re: Reality versus Math Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-05-09 08:08 -0700
  Reality versus Math "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-05-09 08:27 -0700
    Re: Reality versus Math Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-05-09 09:23 -0700
  Re: Reality versus Math John Gogo <jfgogo22@yahoo.com> - 2017-05-09 17:23 -0700
    Re: Reality versus Math Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-05-10 08:04 -0700
      Re: Reality versus Math John Gogo <jfgogo22@yahoo.com> - 2017-05-10 15:35 -0700
        Re: Reality versus Math Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-05-11 08:03 -0700

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