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Re: Galilean explanation of distance and time

From Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Newsgroups sci.physics.relativity
Subject Re: Galilean explanation of distance and time
Date 2017-05-11 12:53 -0500
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On 5/11/17 12:33 PM, Robert Winn wrote:
> On Thursday, May 11, 2017 at 8:58:17 AM UTC-7, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>> On 5/10/17 5:15 PM, Robert Winn wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, May 10, 2017 at 1:26:59 PM UTC-7, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>> On 5/10/17 12:24 PM, Robert Winn wrote:
>>>>> On Wednesday, May 10, 2017 at 9:56:52 AM UTC-7, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>>>> On 5/10/17 10:31 AM, Robert Winn wrote:
>>>>>>> On Wednesday, May 10, 2017 at 7:55:48 AM UTC-7, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 5/10/17 9:41 AM, Robert Winn wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Well, I was actually trying to discuss relativity.  What you are doing is called pouting.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If you want to call refusing to have my chain tugged by you pouting,
>>>>>>>> Robert, you should feel free to do that. You call things what you want
>>>>>>>> to call them, whether they are or not, all the time.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I don't think it's useful to talk about a subject in science when you
>>>>>>>> are unaware of the experimental evidence about that subject. Maybe you do.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Well, I just believe that if experimental evidence existed, you would be willing to talk about it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Like I said, you believe a lot of things.
>>>>>> I believe that a man should not talk from an obvious position of
>>>>>> ignorance, especially if correcting the ignorance is easy for him.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But there are people who seem to like to talk from positions of
>>>>>> ignorance and are completely uninterested in correcting that ignorance,
>>>>>> and are more interested in seeing what they can get other people to do
>>>>>> for them.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Well, I certainly respect that you are free to say whatever you want to say in the sci.physics.relativity
>>>>> newsgroup and call it relativity.  Go right ahead with your philosophical musings.  Were you aware that
>>>>> the equations used for relativity until 1887 were the Galilean transformation equations?
>>>>
>>>> Yes, I was aware of that.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>                         x'=x-vt
>>>>>                         y'=y
>>>>>                         z'=z
>>>>>                         t'=t
>>>>>
>>>>> James Clerk Maxwell used to use these equations.
>>>>
>>>> Not for electrodynamics. He may have used them for other applications in
>>>> physics.
>>>>
>>>>> Have you ever heard of James Clerk Maxwell?
>>>>
>>>> Yes, of course. What would be your point?
>>>>
>>> He used them for relativity.
>>
>> What evidence do you have that he used them for relativity? I don't know
>> of any published work of his that refers to relativity or uses these
>> equations. Just because they were the transforms known at the time does
>> not mean everyone used them in their work.
>>
>> After all, there are lots of things that are known today that you don't
>> use either.
>>
>>> It seems to me that you might be confusing electrodynamics and relativity.
>>
>> Where have you heard James Clerk Maxwell's name in the context of
>> relativity? There is plenty mention of his name in the context of
>> electrodynamics and thermodynamics.
>>
> 
> Well, back then all scientists studied relativity.  

Really? What's the basis for this belief?

> These were the equations for relativity that had been used from the time of Galileo.  
> As you can see, they were very simple algebraic equations.  Now your idea is that James Clerk Maxwell did not know about 
> these equations.  I say that he did.

My idea is that James Clerk Maxwell knew of these equations but gave no 
evidence of actually using them. I'm sure you're aware of carbon dioxide 
lasers, but you've never used one. Not using one doesn't mean you're 
unaware of it.

> Do we see anything in James Clerk Maxwell's works that says, The Galilean transformation equations are wrong?  I see no evidence of it.

Nor do we see anything in James Clerk Maxwell's work that says, The 
Galilean transformation equations are right. In fact we see nothing in 
James Clerk Maxwell's work one way or the other about the Galilean 
transformations. So then, Robert, what is the basis of your belief that 
he used them for relativity?

> So then we get to 1887, eight years after Maxwell died, and all scientists start saying, 
> the Galilean transformation equations are the wrong equations for relativity.  Then since that 
> time people are told, The Galilean transformation equations are the wrong equations for relativity, 
> and average people are just incapable of understanding relativity.  

I disagree that average people are just incapable of understanding 
relativity. Are you saying that they are incapable?

> It takes people who understand Einstein's theory.
> But I use two sets of Galilean transformation equations to explain Einstein's slower clock, and scientists all stop talking to me.  
> So now I say, Well, let's discuss this, and they all say, We see no reason to discuss anything with you.

Well, that response I can certainly understand, Robert. You're a bit of 
a whacko and it's usually a waste of time to discuss anything worthwhile 
with whackos.

> You definitely do not want to discuss relativity with me.  So how about electrodynamics and thermodynamics?   
> Do you want to discuss electrodynamics and thermodynamics with me?
> 

Sure, I'll be happy to discuss electrodynamics and thermodynamics with 
you. Any idea what a partition function is, Robert? How about the curl 
of a field?


-- 
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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Galilean explanation of distance and time Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2017-05-08 09:05 -0700
  Re: Galilean explanation of distance and time Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-08 11:53 -0500
    Re: Galilean explanation of distance and time Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2017-05-08 10:42 -0700
      Re: Galilean explanation of distance and time Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-05-08 11:36 -0700
        Re: Galilean explanation of distance and time Lissa Hermes <isussui@aeawwih.es> - 2017-05-08 20:00 +0000
          Re: Galilean explanation of distance and time Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-08 15:25 -0500
            Re: Galilean explanation of distance and time Lissa Hermes <isussui@aeawwih.es> - 2017-05-08 20:29 +0000
              Re: Galilean explanation of distance and time Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-08 15:34 -0500
        Re: Galilean explanation of distance and time Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2017-05-08 13:22 -0700
          Re: Galilean explanation of distance and time Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-05-08 15:45 -0700
            Re: Galilean explanation of distance and time Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2017-05-08 20:51 -0700
              Re: Galilean explanation of distance and time Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-05-09 03:56 -0700
                Re: Galilean explanation of distance and time Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2017-05-10 07:40 -0700
      Re: Galilean explanation of distance and time Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-08 15:01 -0500
        Re: Galilean explanation of distance and time Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2017-05-08 14:30 -0700
          Re: Galilean explanation of distance and time Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-08 16:52 -0500
            Re: Galilean explanation of distance and time Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2017-05-08 15:15 -0700
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                Re: Galilean explanation of distance and time Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-10 09:55 -0500
                Re: Galilean explanation of distance and time Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2017-05-10 08:31 -0700
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                Re: Galilean explanation of distance and time Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2017-05-10 10:24 -0700
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                Re: Galilean explanation of distance and time Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-13 08:36 -0500
                Re: Galilean explanation of distance and time Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2017-05-14 05:59 -0700
                Re: Galilean explanation of distance and time Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-14 16:51 -0500
                Re: Galilean explanation of distance and time Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-11 10:58 -0500
                Re: Galilean explanation of distance and time Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2017-05-11 10:33 -0700
                Re: Galilean explanation of distance and time Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-11 12:53 -0500
                Re: Galilean explanation of distance and time Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2017-05-11 13:02 -0700
                Re: Galilean explanation of distance and time Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-11 16:14 -0500
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                Re: Galilean explanation of distance and time Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2017-05-11 14:51 -0700
                Re: Galilean explanation of distance and time Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-12 01:19 +0000
                Re: Galilean explanation of distance and time Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2017-05-11 19:21 -0700
                Re: Galilean explanation of distance and time Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-12 09:44 -0500
                Re: Galilean explanation of distance and time Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2017-05-12 18:24 -0700
                Re: Galilean explanation of distance and time Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-05-12 19:31 -0700
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                Re: Galilean explanation of distance and time Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-05-14 07:05 -0700
                Re: Galilean explanation of distance and time "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-05-14 07:17 -0700
                Re: Galilean explanation of distance and time Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-13 08:39 -0500
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                Re: Galilean explanation of distance and time Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-14 16:53 -0500
                Re: Galilean explanation of distance and time Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2017-05-14 21:55 -0700
                Re: Galilean explanation of distance and time Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-15 07:49 -0500
                Re: Galilean explanation of distance and time Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2017-05-15 06:28 -0700
                Re: Galilean explanation of distance and time Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-15 08:30 -0500
                Re: Galilean explanation of distance and time Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2017-05-15 09:47 -0700
                Re: Galilean explanation of distance and time Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-15 12:03 -0500
                Re: Galilean explanation of distance and time Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2017-05-16 06:25 -0700
                Re: Galilean explanation of distance and time Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-16 10:38 -0500
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                Re: Galilean explanation of distance and time "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-05-13 09:53 -0700
                Re: Galilean explanation of distance and time "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-05-13 09:59 -0700
                Re: Galilean explanation of distance and time Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2017-05-14 06:49 -0700
                Re: Galilean explanation of distance and time Python <python@example.invalid> - 2017-05-14 16:27 +0200
                Re: Galilean explanation of distance and time "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-05-14 08:32 -0700
                Re: Galilean explanation of distance and time "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-05-14 08:42 -0700
                Re: Galilean explanation of distance and time "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-05-14 09:11 -0700
                Re: Galilean explanation of distance and time Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2017-05-14 10:10 -0700
                Re: Galilean explanation of distance and time "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-05-14 10:52 -0700
                Re: Galilean explanation of distance and time Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-14 16:54 -0500
                Re: Galilean explanation of distance and time mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-14 23:29 -0700
                Re: Galilean explanation of distance and time "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-05-15 06:32 -0700
                Re: Galilean explanation of distance and time Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2017-05-14 10:06 -0700
                Re: Galilean explanation of distance and time Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-05-14 12:00 -0700
                Re: Galilean explanation of distance and time Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2017-05-14 21:53 -0700
                Re: Galilean explanation of distance and time Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-05-15 04:26 -0700
                Re: Galilean explanation of distance and time Python <python@example.invalid> - 2017-05-15 08:17 +0200
                Re: Galilean explanation of distance and time Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2017-05-15 06:21 -0700
                Re: Galilean explanation of distance and time Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-15 08:28 -0500
                Re: Galilean explanation of distance and time Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2017-05-15 09:31 -0700
                Re: Galilean explanation of distance and time Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-15 11:38 -0500
                Re: Galilean explanation of distance and time Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2017-05-15 09:55 -0700
                Re: Galilean explanation of distance and time Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-15 12:06 -0500
                Re: Galilean explanation of distance and time Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2017-05-16 06:44 -0700
                Re: Galilean explanation of distance and time Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-16 10:40 -0500
                Re: Galilean explanation of distance and time Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2017-05-17 00:12 -0700
                Re: Galilean explanation of distance and time Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-17 11:00 -0500
                Re: Galilean explanation of distance and time Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2017-05-17 13:22 -0700
                Re: Galilean explanation of distance and time Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-17 15:41 -0500
                Re: Galilean explanation of distance and time Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2017-05-17 16:36 -0700
                Re: Galilean explanation of distance and time Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-18 09:01 -0500
                Re: Galilean explanation of distance and time Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2017-05-18 10:52 -0700
                Re: Galilean explanation of distance and time Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-18 13:12 -0500
                Re: Galilean explanation of distance and time Python <python@example.invalid> - 2017-05-18 20:59 +0200
                Re: Galilean explanation of distance and time Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-18 14:41 -0500
                Re: Galilean explanation of distance and time Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-18 14:47 -0500
                Re: Galilean explanation of distance and time Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-18 14:49 -0500
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                Re: Galilean explanation of distance and time "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-05-18 21:25 -0700
                Re: Galilean explanation of distance and time Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-16 12:24 -0500
                Re: Galilean explanation of distance and time Python <python@example.invalid> - 2017-05-16 22:54 +0200
                Re: Galilean explanation of distance and time Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2017-05-17 00:27 -0700
                Re: Galilean explanation of distance and time Python <python@example.invalid> - 2017-05-17 09:39 +0200
                Re: Galilean explanation of distance and time Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2017-05-17 07:30 -0700
                Re: Galilean explanation of distance and time Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-17 11:01 -0500
                Re: Galilean explanation of distance and time Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2017-05-17 13:22 -0700
                Re: Galilean explanation of distance and time Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-17 15:41 -0500
                Re: Galilean explanation of distance and time Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2017-05-17 16:36 -0700
                Re: Galilean explanation of distance and time Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-18 09:01 -0500
                Re: Galilean explanation of distance and time Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2017-05-18 10:53 -0700
                Re: Galilean explanation of distance and time Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-18 13:13 -0500
                Re: Galilean explanation of distance and time Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2017-05-17 00:16 -0700
                Re: Galilean explanation of distance and time mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-15 23:11 -0700
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                Re: Galilean explanation of distance and time Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2017-05-15 09:34 -0700
                Re: Galilean explanation of distance and time Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-13 08:38 -0500
                Re: Galilean explanation of distance and time Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2017-05-14 06:35 -0700
                Re: Galilean explanation of distance and time Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-14 16:56 -0500
                Re: Galilean explanation of distance and time Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2017-05-11 14:47 -0700
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