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Re: CH4 for Odd

From Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Newsgroups sci.physics
Subject Re: CH4 for Odd
Date 2017-05-10 15:15 -0500
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On 5/10/17 9:46 AM, john wrote:
> ed
> "
> No "suck", John.
> 
> Curved space. Only you think gravity sucks. "
> 
> Where does it come from?
> Is it a pull from the matter, or is it a push from
> all the rest of the matter?
> How does the matter "curve" the Space?

This is a little like asking, how do gears increase torque?
Hint: there are laws involved, but you don't care about laws and are 
looking for a mechanism. So, John, there's an ordinary application that 
I'd like for you to explain in terms of a mechanism: how do gears 
increase torque?

Followup question: If you, John, have absolutely no idea how to explain 
how gears increase torque with a simple mechanism, then why would you 
think this is a sensible question for general relativity?

> 
> If there are multiple bodies, how does Space curve multiple ways?

No, it only curves in one particular way at each location in space and 
time. The curvature at that location is a kind of sum total of the 
contributions from each of the bodies. This has been validated in cases 
where we know exactly what all the bodies are. (Of course, in the case 
of galaxies, we do not know exactly what all the bodies are.)




-- 
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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