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On 5/5/17 1:00 AM, mlwozniak@wp.pl wrote:
> W dniu piątek, 5 maja 2017 00:16:20 UTC+2 użytkownik Odd Bodkin napisał:
> 
>>>> Because good engineers have more than one way to accomplish a task.
>>>> Some engineers do not build in a correction into a design and then
>>>> handle the correction outside the design.
>>>
>>> Really? Who, precisely,  are they?
>>
>> Well, I worked with a couple not too long ago. One of them was named
>> Charles Overby, and the other was named Glenn Hinderliter. They had a
>> discussion in fact about whether to build in a correction for a known
>> factor into the design or to leave the factor out and build an
>> adjustment wheel which would accomplish the same thing in an ad hoc
>> fashion.
> 
> Well, returning to GPS, there is no discussion
> and clocks are synchronized.
> Even the hardest fanatics of The Shit don't protest,
> somehow. That means something.

I don't know what you think it means. There was a correction built into 
the apparatus so that the desynchronized clocks would then be kept 
synchronous. There is NO REASON in this particular apparatus to allow 
the clocks to remain desynchronized just to show the principle in force. 
In fact, it is completely adequate to document the CORRECTION made in 
the design for the principle, and this demonstrates that the principle 
is real. In the same way, correcting for the Coriolis effect for 
long-range projectiles so that the projectiles will NOT miss their 
targets, is a fine demonstration that the Coriolis effect is real.

> 
>>> They don't have a monopoly, for sure.
>>> Obviously mathematicians can calculate usefulness
>>> with their formulas, and physicist can measure it
>>> with their equipment, right?
>>
>> No, I don't think physicists are limited in thinking by using equipment,
> 
> And you're wrong.
> OK. So, why should I believe your symmetry is useful?
> As for now, I see you insisting it is and GPS working
> fine ignoring it. What did I miss?

It depends on the application. I gave you another application to think 
about where the symmetry would be more useful.

> 
> g.
>>> The only way to determine whether it's useful or
>>> not is - using common sense.
>>
>> Well, you seem to have repeated the statement, but you haven't yet
>> explained any rationale WHY you think the only way to determine
>> usefulness is common sense.
> 
> Elimination. Mathematics can't do it. Measurements
> can't do it.
> So? Any alternative?

Sure. Ease of use. Subscription rate. Prevalence of the technology. All 
of these are more indicators of usefulness than your pet "common sense".

I fully appreciate that you LOVE common sense, to the degree where if 
anyone challenges your common sense, then you take offense. But it seems 
apparent that you cannot provide any sensible rationale for why you 
think it is so valuable. So perhaps your love for it is misplaced.

I'll give you a simple test of common sense's value. Let's see how well 
common sense does in a simple application. If common sense provides the 
wrong answer, will you agree that perhaps common sense isn't as valuable 
as you thought it was?

Suppose you have a ramp, and at the top you place two objects, of 
identical mass and comparable dimensions. One of them is a box, Teflon 
coated, like the ramp. The other is a cylinder, covered with fine-grit 
sandpaper. The two objects are released at the top of the ramp. The 
cylinder rolls down the ramp, and the box slides down the ramp with very 
low friction. Which one makes it down to the bottom first and why? What 
does common sense tell you?


-- 
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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  Re: Common sense and Great Guru Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-04 10:04 -0500
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      Re: Common sense and Great Guru Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-04 12:13 -0500
        Re: Common sense and Great Guru mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-04 12:31 -0700
          Re: Common sense and Great Guru Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-04 14:41 -0500
            Re: Common sense and Great Guru mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-04 14:39 -0700
              Re: Common sense and Great Guru Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-04 16:44 -0500
                Re: Common sense and Great Guru mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-04 14:58 -0700
                Re: Common sense and Great Guru Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-04 17:16 -0500
                Re: Common sense and Great Guru mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-04 23:00 -0700
                Re: Common sense and Great Guru Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-05-05 04:16 -0700
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                Re: Common sense and Great Guru mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-05 08:09 -0700
                Re: Common sense and Great Guru Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-05 13:05 -0500
                Re: Common sense and Great Guru mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-05 22:00 -0700
                Re: Common sense and Great Guru Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-06 06:09 -0500
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                Re: Common sense and Great Guru Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-06 16:05 -0500
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  Re: Common sense and Great Guru Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-08 10:40 -0500
    Re: Common sense and Great Guru mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-08 09:19 -0700
      Re: Common sense and Great Guru Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-08 12:05 -0500
        Re: Common sense and Great Guru mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-08 10:25 -0700
          Re: Common sense and Great Guru Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-08 15:14 -0500
            Re: Common sense and Great Guru mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-08 20:21 -0700
              Re: Common sense and Great Guru Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-05-09 03:51 -0700
              Re: Common sense and Great Guru Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-09 07:46 -0500
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