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Re: Renormalization in QED

From	Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Newsgroups	sci.physics.relativity
Subject	Re: Renormalization in QED
Date	2017-05-03 13:10 -0500
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On 5/2/17 4:57 PM, kenseto wrote:
> On Tuesday, May 2, 2017 at 3:19:00 PM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>> On 5/2/17 7:25 AM, kenseto wrote:
>>> On Monday, May 1, 2017 at 3:08:04 PM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>> On 5/1/17 1:37 PM, kenseto wrote:
>>>>> We are not talking about Dirac’s delta function. We are talking about the infinities that exist in the original  >>> QED equations. Dirac said that getting rid of these infinities is
>> not sensible mathematics.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Dirac made a MISTAKE when he said the infinities are neglected in an
>>>> arbitrary way. They are not.
>>>
>>> Yes they are Dirac didn’t make a MISTAKE.
>>
>> Sorry, Ken, but nobody cares whether YOU think renormalization is not
>> understood. Nor does anyone care what YOU think the problem is. You
>> don't know what renormalization even is, and so you're not really in a
>> position to declare it problematic. People without any understanding of
>> a subject should not be declaring there are problems in the subject.
> 
> ROTFLOL.....you don’t know what renormalization is either. 

Yes, I do. I've read the books that describe it. References to those 
books have been given to you. But I'm glad to see that you admit that 
you don't know what renormalization is. Then why would you claim to be 
able to say ANYTHING about renormalization if you don't even know what 
it is???

> As far as I know it is getting rid of infinities in a derived equation based on faulty assumptions--that the charge of a particle resides within the charged particle such as an electron-- through mathematical manipulations.

Then you don't know what renormalization is.

> 
> The problems are as follows:
> 1. The infinities were assumed to exist because the faulty basic assumption that the charge of a charged particle is residing within the electron. It is not.

Since you don't know where the infinities come from, you can't really 
say what assumptions lead to them, can you?

> 
> 2. renormalization work because there were no infinities to begin with. IOW, derive the QED equation without the faulty assumptions that the charge of a charged particle is residing within the electron.
> 
> 3. Why bother to develop a faulty equation that requires renormalization when the equation that contain no infinities work just fine?
> 
>>
>>> The infinities were derived from the bogus assumptions that the electric charges were reside inside the particle
>>> as the particle size is reduced in size,  the > > electric charge become infinite. Using different math manipulations
>>> to get rid if these infinities merely means that the assumptions that enable these math
>>>   manipulations were wrong or invalid.
>>>
>>> The proper way to get rid of the infinities is to get rid of the source of infinities and that is:  > The electric charges are not reside within the particles. They are
>> the distortions in the E-Matrix caused by the a> bsolute motions of the
>> interacting particles in the E-Matrix.
>>> http://www.modelmechanics.org/2016ibook.pdf
>>>
>>>> What happens is that different terms in the
>>>> expansion, which are infinite individually, are shown to have the same
>>>> size and opposite sign, and so they CANCEL. Another way of describing it
>>>> is that the mass and charge of a system are known two ways: a) by
>>>> measuring them, and b) by adding up a sum of terms in QED that describe
>>>> self-interactions. Rather than putting in the known masses in the terms
>>>> that get summed up, you put "bare" charges and masses in the terms that
>>>> get summed up, so that the SUM adds up to the measured values.
>>>>
>>>> Kenneth Wilson, a Nobel Prize winner, made this approach completely
>>>> mathematically sensible by showing how the Kondo problem is solved. He
>>>> did this in 1975, AFTER Dirac made his comments. Wilson showed Dirac
>>>> that renormalization is not bad mathematics at all. Wilson won a Nobel
>>>> Prize for this work.
>>>>
>>>> You can learn about this by looking up books that have chapters on
>>>> renormalization.
>>>>
>>>> -- 
>>>> Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
>>
>>
>> -- 
>> Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables


-- 
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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Renormalization in QED kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-05-01 01:51 -0700
  Re: Renormalization in QED Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-01 08:04 -0500
    Re: Renormalization in QED kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-05-01 07:30 -0700
      Re: Renormalization in QED Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-01 12:18 -0500
        Re: Renormalization in QED kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-05-01 10:50 -0700
          Re: Renormalization in QED Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-01 12:58 -0500
            Re: Renormalization in QED kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-05-01 11:37 -0700
              Re: Renormalization in QED Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-01 13:53 -0500
              Re: Renormalization in QED Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-01 14:08 -0500
                Re: Renormalization in QED kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-05-02 05:25 -0700
                Re: Renormalization in QED JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2017-05-02 11:14 -0700
                Re: Renormalization in QED mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-03 23:10 -0700
                Re: Renormalization in QED Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-04 09:52 -0500
                Re: Renormalization in QED Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-02 14:18 -0500
                Re: Renormalization in QED kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-05-02 14:57 -0700
                Re: Renormalization in QED JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2017-05-02 15:37 -0700
                Re: Renormalization in QED Ukabaru Hongetsu <uohio@ugutua.ic> - 2017-05-02 22:52 +0000
                Re: Renormalization in QED JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2017-05-02 16:38 -0700
                Re: Renormalization in QED kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-05-03 15:51 -0700
                Re: Renormalization in QED Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-04 09:55 -0500
                Re: Renormalization in QED kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-05-05 05:32 -0700
                Re: Renormalization in QED Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-05 08:38 -0500
                Re: Renormalization in QED "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-05-04 19:13 +0100
                Re: Renormalization in QED kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-05-05 05:15 -0700
                Re: Renormalization in QED "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-05-05 20:48 +0100
                Re: Renormalization in QED kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-05-06 06:01 -0700
                Re: Renormalization in QED JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2017-05-04 13:35 -0700
                Re: Renormalization in QED kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-05-05 05:12 -0700
                Re: Renormalization in QED Lokù Bukovych Davka <ocyoa@vackokaov.bu> - 2017-05-05 12:43 +0000
                Re: Renormalization in QED JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2017-05-05 11:23 -0700
                Re: Renormalization in QED kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-05-06 05:46 -0700
                Re: Renormalization in QED Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-06 14:27 -0500
                Re: Renormalization in QED "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-05-05 20:49 +0100
                Re: Renormalization in QED kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-05-06 06:07 -0700
                Re: Renormalization in QED "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-05-06 17:40 +0100
                Re: Renormalization in QED kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-05-03 15:44 -0700
                Re: Renormalization in QED Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-04 09:58 -0500
                Re: Renormalization in QED "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-05-04 19:41 +0100
                Re: Renormalization in QED RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2017-05-05 15:27 -0700
                Re: Renormalization in QED RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2017-05-05 15:51 -0700
                Re: Renormalization in QED "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-05-06 08:01 +0100
                Re: Renormalization in QED Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-05-06 09:26 +0200
                Re: Renormalization in QED RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2017-05-06 21:02 -0700
                Re: Renormalization in QED Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-05-07 07:56 +0200
                Re: Renormalization in QED JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2017-05-08 09:00 -0700
                Re: Renormalization in QED JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2017-05-08 09:40 -0700
                Re: Renormalization in QED Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-05-08 15:20 -0500
                Re: Renormalization in QED RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2017-05-09 12:15 -0700
                Re: Renormalization in QED JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2017-05-10 21:32 -0700
                Re: Renormalization in QED RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2017-05-12 14:36 -0700
                Re: Renormalization in QED Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-12 16:53 -0500
                Re: Renormalization in QED Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-05-08 12:08 -0500
                Re: Renormalization in QED moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-05-08 20:58 +0000
                Re: Renormalization in QED Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-03 13:10 -0500
                Re: Renormalization in QED kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-05-03 16:01 -0700
                Re: Renormalization in QED Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-04 09:59 -0500
                Re: Renormalization in QED kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-05-05 05:38 -0700
                Re: Renormalization in QED Python <python@example.invalid> - 2017-05-05 15:01 +0200
                Re: Renormalization in QED mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-05 06:13 -0700
                Re: Renormalization in QED Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-05 08:42 -0500
                Re: Renormalization in QED kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-05-05 06:26 -0700
                Re: Renormalization in QED Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-05 09:14 -0500
                Re: Renormalization in QED Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2017-05-05 12:31 -0700
                Re: Renormalization in QED Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-05 14:40 -0500
                Re: Renormalization in QED Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-05 08:43 -0500
                Re: Renormalization in QED moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-05-05 13:49 +0000
                Re: Renormalization in QED Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-05 08:41 -0500
                Re: Renormalization in QED kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-05-06 06:16 -0700
                Re: Renormalization in QED Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-06 14:26 -0500
                Re: Renormalization in QED kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-05-06 13:01 -0700
                Re: Renormalization in QED Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-06 15:56 -0500
                Re: Renormalization in QED kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-05-07 07:05 -0700
                Re: Renormalization in QED Bordamos Alamidade <dd@dsmdawo.ab> - 2017-05-07 14:18 +0000
                Re: Renormalization in QED Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-07 13:22 -0500
                Re: Renormalization in QED kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-05-03 15:29 -0700
                Re: Renormalization in QED Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-04 09:51 -0500
                Re: Renormalization in QED kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-05-05 05:18 -0700
                Re: Renormalization in QED Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-05 08:37 -0500
          Re: Renormalization in QED dsr@mail.lns.cornell.edu (Daniel S. Riley) - 2017-05-01 15:37 -0400
            Re: Renormalization in QED Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-05-01 17:05 -0500
              Re: Renormalization in QED Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-02 14:15 -0500
                Re: Renormalization in QED Ukabaru Hongetsu <uohio@ugutua.ic> - 2017-05-02 19:23 +0000
  Re: Renormalization in QED Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-05-01 08:44 -0500
    Re: Renormalization in QED kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-05-01 07:27 -0700
      Re: Renormalization in QED Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-01 12:16 -0500
        Re: Renormalization in QED kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-05-01 10:44 -0700
          Re: Renormalization in QED Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-01 12:56 -0500
            Re: Renormalization in QED kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-05-01 11:45 -0700
              Re: Renormalization in QED Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-01 13:56 -0500
      Re: Renormalization in QED JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2017-05-01 12:02 -0700
        Re: Renormalization in QED Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-01 14:22 -0500
  Re: Renormalization in QED JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2017-05-01 11:58 -0700

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