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Re: how to create standalone EXE from inside forth with actual working environment (in forth or c)

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On 4/29/2017 12:09, Albert van der Horst wrote:
> In article <o2coqg$o7l$1@dont-email.me>, Alex  <alex@rivadpm.com> wrote:
>> On 12/8/2016 15:58, Anton Ertl wrote:
>>> Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> writes:
>>
>>>
>>>> . Error recovery may not work correctly on the saved EXE.
>>>
>>> What do you mean with that?
>>>
>>
>> Exception handling may change the environment of the system between an
>> initialisation and the point where it's saved; but when the saved EXE is
>> run, everything the system manages returns to the initialisation state
>> (qv file handles). Under Windows, automated guard page exceptions to
>> change reservations to allocations on the stack are one where the
>> application programmer has no control.
> 
> The proper exception handling for an application program is
> to have all foreseen exceptions caught and consider all unforeseen
> exceptions fatal. Fatal exceptions should abort the application,
> not fall into the QUIT interpreter loop.  1]

Well, of course, since by definition fatal errors are fatal, but not all 
unforeseen errors can be expected to be fatal and abort; since that 
would make a development environment very difficult indeed.

Re-entering QUIT allows the application to be debugged.

> This is what is built in into the -c (compile) option of ciforth).
> Assuming the user of an application can do some useful error
> recovery within Forth is in general invalid.

I respectfully disagree; for example, division by zero.

> 
> This is not to say that special situations may not arise.
> The application may be geared towards very knowledgeable users, or
> a turnkey control system may be designed to do a warm start
> with as little danger as possible.

Yes. WF32 does have a mechanism for this; there's a sequence that does 
initialization which can then call the end user's application. The 
default application is to have QUIT executed.

> 
>> --
>> Alex
> 
> Groetjes Albert
> 
> 1] This might even be a security leak.

I doubt it; one could consider the entire Forth system as a security 
leak in that case.

> 

-- 
Alex

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how to create standalone EXE from inside forth with actual working environment (in forth or c) make.kmatze@gmail.com - 2016-12-07 02:55 -0800
  Re: how to create standalone EXE from inside forth with actual working environment (in forth or c) Julian Fondren <julian.fondren@gmail.com> - 2016-12-07 03:26 -0800
    Re: how to create standalone EXE from inside forth with actual working environment (in forth or c) make.kmatze@gmail.com - 2016-12-07 05:31 -0800
      Re: how to create standalone EXE from inside forth with actual working environment (in forth or c) Julian Fondren <julian.fondren@gmail.com> - 2016-12-07 05:50 -0800
    Re: how to create standalone EXE from inside forth with actual working environment (in forth or c) Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2016-12-07 13:50 +0000
      Re: how to create standalone EXE from inside forth with actual working environment (in forth or c) stephen@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2016-12-07 20:24 +0000
        Re: how to create standalone EXE from inside forth with actual working environment (in forth or c) Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2016-12-07 22:05 +0000
          Re: how to create standalone EXE from inside forth with actual working environment (in forth or c) stephen@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2016-12-08 09:13 +0000
        Re: how to create standalone EXE from inside forth with actual working environment (in forth or c) "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2016-12-07 14:59 -1000
          Re: how to create standalone EXE from inside forth with actual working environment (in forth or c) Ron Aaron <rambamist@gmail.com> - 2016-12-08 06:50 +0200
        Re: how to create standalone EXE from inside forth with actual working environment (in forth or c) JUERGEN <epldfpga@aol.com> - 2017-04-29 04:58 -0700
      Re: how to create standalone EXE from inside forth with actual working environment (in forth or c) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2016-12-08 15:58 +0000
        Re: how to create standalone EXE from inside forth with actual working environment (in forth or c) Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2016-12-08 23:04 +0000
          Re: how to create standalone EXE from inside forth with actual working environment (in forth or c) albert@cherry.spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2017-04-29 13:09 +0200
            Re: how to create standalone EXE from inside forth with actual working environment (in forth or c) Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2017-04-29 18:46 +0100
              Re: how to create standalone EXE from inside forth with actual working environment (in forth or c) albert@cherry.spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2017-04-30 12:09 +0200
                Re: how to create standalone EXE from inside forth with actual working environment (in forth or c) "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2017-04-30 09:35 -1000
                Re: how to create standalone EXE from inside forth with actual working environment (in forth or c) Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2017-04-30 22:23 +0100
                Re: how to create standalone EXE from inside forth with actual working environment (in forth or c) "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2017-04-30 13:50 -1000
      Re: how to create standalone EXE from inside forth with actual working environment (in forth or c) stephen@mpeforth.com - 2017-01-02 03:59 -0800
        Re: how to create standalone EXE from inside forth with actual albert@cherry.spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2017-01-02 15:10 +0100
        Re: how to create standalone EXE from inside forth with actual working environment (in forth or c) "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2017-01-02 07:43 -1000
      Re: how to create standalone EXE from inside forth with actual working environment (in forth or c) stephen@mpeforth.com - 2017-01-02 04:01 -0800
  Re: how to create standalone EXE from inside forth with actual working environment (in forth or c) albert@cherry.spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2016-12-07 15:58 +0100
  Re: how to create standalone EXE from inside forth with actual working environment (in forth or c) make.kmatze@gmail.com - 2016-12-08 01:32 -0800
  Re: how to create standalone EXE from inside forth with actual working environment (in forth or c) make.kmatze@gmail.com - 2017-01-02 03:39 -0800

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