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| From | "Tim Williams" <tiwill@seventransistorlabs.com> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | sci.electronics.design |
| Subject | Re: Traffic Ticket Question |
| Date | 2017-04-18 23:18 -0500 |
| Organization | A noiseless patient Spider |
| Message-ID | <od6o67$l37$1@dont-email.me> (permalink) |
| References | <58f6d4bb$0$40452$c3e8da3$b280bf18@news.astraweb.com> |
"billbowden" <bperryb@bowdenshobbycircuits.info> wrote in message news:58f6d4bb$0$40452$c3e8da3$b280bf18@news.astraweb.com... >I recently received a traffic citation for an illegal left turn when I >exited a parking lot from a driveway and didn't see the sign .I inspected >the location where I made the turn and the sign is posted on the right side >of the driveway where anyone making a legal right turn would see it. >Drivers turning left would be looking to the left and not see the sign. There's maybe some possibility that you can convince the judge that it should be moved, or another added. Which might be a consequence of his judging you not guilty, however you might arrive at that judgement. > There is a possibility a pedestrian could be walking against the traffic > and approaching the from the right so it might be a good idea to look both > ways before proceeding. Might want to keep that to yourself. I don't think /anyone/ looks too lightly on people who don't "look both ways", under any circumstance... A more relevant argument might be: if this driveway is multiple lanes, then view of the sign could be obscured by other traffic. Say there's a large truck beside you, creeping over the line. Then you could honestly miss the sign. Highways usually have important signs (exits, speed limits, etc.) on both sides, so you're unlikely to miss them. And overhead signs on wider highways. That might be applicable/desirable here? Whether it was plausible that a reasonable person (you), on that day, given the nearby cars (since, if you say there's a video record of it, that might be used as evidence in this way), could see the sign, might also have to be proven. Some of those intersections are designed to make it obvious that you shouldn't go through them (e.g., there's a meridian and it's curved in such a way to allow left-turning traffic into the driveway, but not out). That's another point against your case, if it's designed that way. (I'm not suggesting this for your particular situation, just putting it out there.) From the limited information you provide, it feels likely to me that, you might end up improving the safety of the intersection, in the end, but at your own expense (i.e., found guilty and paying the ticket + whatever court fees they cook up)... Tim -- Seven Transistor Labs, LLC Electrical Engineering Consultation and Contract Design Website: http://seventransistorlabs.com
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OT: Traffic Ticket Question "billbowden" <bperryb@bowdenshobbycircuits.info> - 2017-04-18 20:08 -0700
Re: OT: Traffic Ticket Question bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-04-18 23:33 -0400
Re: OT: Traffic Ticket Question Phil Allison <pallison49@gmail.com> - 2017-04-18 20:58 -0700
Re: OT: Traffic Ticket Question "billbowden" <bperryb@bowdenshobbycircuits.info> - 2017-04-23 14:56 -0700
Re: Traffic Ticket Question "Tim Williams" <tiwill@seventransistorlabs.com> - 2017-04-18 23:18 -0500
Re: Traffic Ticket Question bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-04-19 01:36 -0400
Re: Traffic Ticket Question rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-04-19 11:16 -0400
Re: Traffic Ticket Question bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-04-19 13:37 -0400
Re: Traffic Ticket Question "billbowden" <bperryb@bowdenshobbycircuits.info> - 2017-04-23 21:03 -0700
Re: Traffic Ticket Question Joseph Gwinn <joegwinn@comcast.net> - 2017-04-24 09:18 -0400
Re: Traffic Ticket Question "billbowden" <bperryb@bowdenshobbycircuits.info> - 2017-04-26 19:16 -0700
Re: Traffic Ticket Question Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2017-04-27 07:22 +0100
Re: Traffic Ticket Question krw@notreal.com - 2017-04-27 13:12 -0400
Re: Traffic Ticket Question rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-04-27 03:00 -0400
Re: Traffic Ticket Question Joseph Gwinn <joegwinn@comcast.net> - 2017-04-28 12:54 -0400
Re: OT: Traffic Ticket Question Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-04-18 21:47 -0700
Re: OT: Traffic Ticket Question "billbowden" <bperryb@bowdenshobbycircuits.info> - 2017-04-23 21:39 -0700
Re: OT: Traffic Ticket Question jurb6006@gmail.com - 2017-04-24 01:01 -0700
Re: OT: Traffic Ticket Question "billbowden" <bperryb@bowdenshobbycircuits.info> - 2017-04-24 14:03 -0700
Re: Traffic Ticket Question "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-04-25 18:23 +0100
Re: Traffic Ticket Question rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-04-25 14:29 -0400
Re: OT: Traffic Ticket Question jurb6006@gmail.com - 2017-04-18 21:52 -0700
Re: OT: Traffic Ticket Question Phil Allison <pallison49@gmail.com> - 2017-04-18 22:20 -0700
Re: OT: Traffic Ticket Question jurb6006@gmail.com - 2017-04-19 12:19 -0700
Re: OT: Traffic Ticket Question rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-04-19 16:02 -0400
Re: OT: Traffic Ticket Question jurb6006@gmail.com - 2017-04-20 11:50 -0700
Re: OT: Traffic Ticket Question Phil Allison <pallison49@gmail.com> - 2017-04-20 16:59 -0700
Re: OT: Traffic Ticket Question jurb6006@gmail.com - 2017-04-20 23:40 -0700
Re: OT: Traffic Ticket Question Phil Allison <pallison49@gmail.com> - 2017-04-21 00:25 -0700
Re: OT: Traffic Ticket Question rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-04-21 01:04 -0400
Re: OT: Traffic Ticket Question Phil Allison <pallison49@gmail.com> - 2017-04-20 22:25 -0700
Re: OT: Traffic Ticket Question dplatt@coop.radagast.org (Dave Platt) - 2017-04-19 12:44 -0700
Re: OT: Traffic Ticket Question rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-04-20 00:38 -0400
Re: OT: Traffic Ticket Question krw@notreal.com - 2017-04-20 21:12 -0400
Re: OT: Traffic Ticket Question Phil Allison <pallison49@gmail.com> - 2017-04-20 18:49 -0700
Re: OT: Traffic Ticket Question krw@notreal.com - 2017-04-20 21:54 -0400
Re: OT: Traffic Ticket Question Phil Allison <pallison49@gmail.com> - 2017-04-20 19:06 -0700
Re: OT: Traffic Ticket Question krw@notreal.com - 2017-04-20 22:17 -0400
Re: OT: Traffic Ticket Question Phil Allison <pallison49@gmail.com> - 2017-04-20 19:20 -0700
Re: OT: Traffic Ticket Question jurb6006@gmail.com - 2017-04-20 23:44 -0700
Re: OT: Traffic Ticket Question Phil Allison <pallison49@gmail.com> - 2017-04-21 00:28 -0700
Re: OT: Traffic Ticket Question "Tim Williams" <tiwill@seventransistorlabs.com> - 2017-04-21 02:55 -0500
Re: OT: Traffic Ticket Question Phil Allison <pallison49@gmail.com> - 2017-04-21 04:03 -0700
Re: OT: Traffic Ticket Question jurb6006@gmail.com - 2017-04-21 13:22 -0700
Re: OT: Traffic Ticket Question krw@notreal.com - 2017-04-21 22:39 -0400
Re: OT: Traffic Ticket Question jurb6006@gmail.com - 2017-04-22 15:33 -0700
Re: OT: Traffic Ticket Question Phil Allison <pallison49@gmail.com> - 2017-04-19 18:00 -0700
Re: OT: Traffic Ticket Question Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-04-19 10:26 -0700
Re: OT: Traffic Ticket Question jurb6006@gmail.com - 2017-04-19 12:24 -0700
Re: Traffic Ticket Question "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-04-19 20:29 +0100
Re: Traffic Ticket Question Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-04-19 12:45 -0700
Re: Traffic Ticket Question John Robertson <spam@flippers.com> - 2017-04-19 15:16 -0700
Re: Traffic Ticket Question Clifford Heath <no.spam@please.net> - 2017-04-20 10:30 +1000
Re: Traffic Ticket Question Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-04-19 18:55 -0700
Re: Traffic Ticket Question dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com - 2017-04-20 08:32 -0700
Re: Traffic Ticket Question Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-04-20 08:45 -0700
Re: OT: Traffic Ticket Question Taxed and Spent <nospamplease@nonospam.com> - 2017-04-19 07:01 -0700
Re: OT: Traffic Ticket Question rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-04-19 11:04 -0400
Re: Traffic Ticket Question "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-04-19 18:21 +0100
Re: Traffic Ticket Question rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-04-19 13:56 -0400
Re: Traffic Ticket Question "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-04-19 20:32 +0100
Re: Traffic Ticket Question rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-04-19 15:50 -0400
Re: OT: Traffic Ticket Question Tim Wescott <tim@seemywebsite.com> - 2017-04-19 11:18 -0500
Re: OT: Traffic Ticket Question Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-04-19 09:38 -0700
Re: OT: Traffic Ticket Question krw@notreal.com - 2017-04-19 20:37 -0400
Re: OT: Traffic Ticket Question Robert Baer <robertbaer@localnet.com> - 2017-04-19 23:11 -0800
Re: OT: Traffic Ticket Question rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-04-20 09:22 -0400
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