Groups > sci.electronics.design > #454607

Re: EU Boss Juncker threatens to break up US

From	JM <dontreplytothis173@gmail.com>
Newsgroups	sci.electronics.design
Subject	Re: EU Boss Juncker threatens to break up US
Date	2017-04-01 16:19 +0100
Organization	A noiseless patient Spider
Message-ID	<obog7p$eb8$1@dont-email.me> (permalink)
References	(2 earlier) <obkum9$ruq$1@dont-email.me> <obmf7l$qpq$3@dont-email.me> <34304743-be0f-4767-8f49-042377e52651@googlegroups.com> <obnk35$nm6$1@dont-email.me> <b5f9705a-7fd9-47e7-b07e-9ae901628c51@googlegroups.com>

Show all headers | View raw

On 01/04/2017 12:50, bill.sloman@ieee.org wrote:
> On Saturday, April 1, 2017 at 6:18:53 PM UTC+11, Jeff Layman wrote:
>> On 01/04/17 02:51, bill.sloman@ieee.org wrote:
>>
>>> If anybody is to blame for Brexit it would be Nigel Farage and Boris
>>> Johnson, both of whom lied through their teeth to bring it about.
>>> Jeane-Claude Junker never had the political power to change the EU
>>> enough to make Brexit perceptibly more or less attractive, least of
>>> all to the kind of ignorant half-wits who thought that Brexit was
>>> ever a good idea.
>>
>> You're insulting over half the UK population who voted on the matter.
>
> Quite intentionally. They voted as gullible idiots.
>
>> Let's be clear -  /both/ sides lied; they were expressing political
>> views. Anyone who expects any politician to tell the truth is living in
>> cloud-cuckoo land.
>
> Perhaps. But the Brexiteers told bigger lies. Farage bailed out as soon as he had thrown his brick through the plate glass window while Boris Johnson tempered his ambitions enough to become Foreign Secretary.
>
>> Brexit is not a good idea. On a scale of 1 to 20, it scores 2. The
>> problem is that remaining in the EU scores 1. The EU has been voting
>> itself more and more power for the past 20 years, and although needing
>> reform, and talking about it
>> (http://uk.reuters.com/article/us-eu-future-idUKKBN1684X0) does little
>> about it.
>
> Of course the EU is becoming more powerful. It's a way station on the route to a European federal government. The national governments aren't enthusiastic about giving up any power, but the EU needs to become better federated if it is going to serve any useful purpose. The UK is indulging in the delusion that it can stay outside that incipient federation. Wales and Scotland are better aware that that kind of resistance is futile. You may not like the EU, but you are going to like your situation outside it a whole lot less.
>

Wales voted to leave the EU.  I can assure you that the prime reason for 
Scotland's vote to remain was continued access to the single market.

In the forthcoming referendum on whether Scotland should end the UK I 
suspect that the post independence position postulated will be 
membership of EFTA/EEA (with a currency not tied to the English pound).

Let me introduce you to Hamish (the Lion)
https://www.dropbox.com/s/mvcd8ww3brslxdr/img331.jpg?dl=0

>> Just to return to the original point about who has power in the EU
>> setup, the diagram at the bottom of the page here explains it clearly:
>> www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-39217959
>
> It's an organisation tree with arrows. The real power doesn't pay any attention to the arrow.
>
> Try to find something equivalent for the US - you won't find the Koch brothers shown anywhere, but that isn't evidence that they lack political power.
>
>> Note the position of the "European Parliament (Directly elected)". The
>> only democratically elected body in the EU, directly answerable to the
>> half billion of so of its population, appears quite a way down in the
>> pecking order.
>
> So what. It doesn't do anything much. Putting it in a position of actual power is several steps further down the road.
>

Thread

EU Boss Juncker threatens to break up US Cursitor Doom <curd@notformail.com> - 2017-03-30 12:50 +0000
  Re: EU Boss Juncker threatens to break up US Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2017-03-30 14:15 +0100
    Re: EU Boss Juncker threatens to break up US John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-03-30 08:23 -0700
      Re: EU Boss Juncker threatens to break up US Cursitor Doom <curd@notformail.com> - 2017-03-30 15:35 +0000
      Re: EU Boss Juncker threatens to break up US Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2017-03-30 17:07 +0100
        Re: EU Boss Juncker threatens to break up US John Larkin <jjlarkinxyxy@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-03-30 12:33 -0700
          Re: EU Boss Juncker threatens to break up US Cursitor Doom <curd@notformail.com> - 2017-03-30 21:04 +0000
            Re: EU Boss Juncker threatens to break up US John Larkin <jjlarkinxyxy@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-03-30 15:19 -0700
              Re: EU Boss Juncker threatens to break up US bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-03-30 18:01 -0700
              Re: EU Boss Juncker threatens to break up US Cursitor Doom <curd@notformail.com> - 2017-03-31 20:22 +0000
                Re: EU Boss Juncker threatens to break up US bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-03-31 16:45 -0700
              Re: EU Boss Juncker threatens to break up US "Tom Del Rosso" <fizzbintuesday@that-google-mail-domain.com> - 2017-04-01 15:56 -0400
                Re: EU Boss Juncker threatens to break up US bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-04-01 19:09 -0700
                Re: EU Boss Juncker threatens to break up US Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> - 2017-04-02 02:39 +0000
            Re: EU Boss Juncker threatens to break up US bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-03-30 17:50 -0700
          Re: EU Boss Juncker threatens to break up US krw@notreal.com - 2017-03-30 20:55 -0400
            Re: EU Boss Juncker threatens to break up US bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-03-30 19:13 -0700
          Re: EU Boss Juncker threatens to break up US Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2017-03-31 10:08 +0100
            Re: EU Boss Juncker threatens to break up US John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-03-31 07:45 -0700
              Re: EU Boss Juncker threatens to break up US Cursitor Doom <curd@notformail.com> - 2017-03-31 20:38 +0000
              Re: EU Boss Juncker threatens to break up US Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2017-03-31 22:45 +0100
                Re: EU Boss Juncker threatens to break up US John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-03-31 20:20 -0700
                Re: EU Boss Juncker threatens to break up US bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-04-01 00:11 -0700
                Re: EU Boss Juncker threatens to break up US Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2017-04-01 09:13 +0100
                Re: EU Boss Juncker threatens to break up US Lasse Langwadt Christensen <langwadt@fonz.dk> - 2017-04-01 07:03 -0700
              Re: EU Boss Juncker threatens to break up US bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-03-31 18:35 -0700
        Re: EU Boss Juncker threatens to break up US F Murtz <haggisz@hotmail.com> - 2017-04-01 01:09 +1000
      Re: EU Boss Juncker threatens to break up US Lasse Langwadt Christensen <langwadt@fonz.dk> - 2017-03-30 09:24 -0700
        Re: EU Boss Juncker threatens to break up US Chris <cbx@noreply.com> - 2017-03-30 18:18 +0000
          Re: EU Boss Juncker threatens to break up US Lasse Langwadt Christensen <langwadt@fonz.dk> - 2017-03-30 12:32 -0700
        Re: EU Boss Juncker threatens to break up US John Robertson <spam@flippers.com> - 2017-03-30 11:52 -0700
          Re: EU Boss Juncker threatens to break up US krw@notreal.com - 2017-03-30 21:05 -0400
            Re: EU Boss Juncker threatens to break up US John Robertson <spam@flippers.com> - 2017-03-30 18:36 -0700
  Re: EU Boss Juncker threatens to break up US bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-03-30 06:18 -0700
    Re: EU Boss Juncker threatens to break up US Jeff Layman <jmlayman@invalid.invalid> - 2017-03-31 08:01 +0100
      Re: EU Boss Juncker threatens to break up US bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-03-31 01:47 -0700
        Re: EU Boss Juncker threatens to break up US Jeff Layman <jmlayman@invalid.invalid> - 2017-03-31 11:49 +0100
      Re: EU Boss Juncker threatens to break up US Cursitor Doom <curd@notformail.com> - 2017-03-31 20:46 +0000
        Re: EU Boss Juncker threatens to break up US bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-03-31 18:51 -0700
          Re: EU Boss Juncker threatens to break up US Jeff Layman <jmlayman@invalid.invalid> - 2017-04-01 08:18 +0100
            Re: EU Boss Juncker threatens to break up US Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2017-04-01 09:22 +0100
              Re: EU Boss Juncker threatens to break up US Jeff Layman <jmlayman@invalid.invalid> - 2017-04-01 11:30 +0100
                Re: EU Boss Juncker threatens to break up US Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2017-04-01 12:13 +0100
                Re: EU Boss Juncker threatens to break up US Cursitor Doom <curd@notformail.com> - 2017-04-01 15:11 +0000
                Re: EU Boss Juncker threatens to break up US bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-04-01 19:13 -0700
            Re: EU Boss Juncker threatens to break up US bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-04-01 04:50 -0700
              Re: EU Boss Juncker threatens to break up US JM <dontreplytothis173@gmail.com> - 2017-04-01 16:19 +0100
                Re: EU Boss Juncker threatens to break up US bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-04-01 19:31 -0700
  Re: EU Boss Juncker threatens to break up US bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-03-30 11:50 -0400
    Re: EU Boss Juncker threatens to break up US Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2017-03-30 17:08 +0100
      Re: EU Boss Juncker threatens to break up US JM <dontreplytothis173@gmail.com> - 2017-03-30 19:37 +0100
        Re: EU Boss Juncker threatens to break up US Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2017-03-31 10:10 +0100
          Re: EU Boss Juncker threatens to break up US John Devereux <john@devereux.me.uk> - 2017-03-31 12:08 +0100
    Re: EU Boss Juncker threatens to break up US John Larkin <jjlarkinxyxy@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-03-30 12:36 -0700
      Re: EU Boss Juncker threatens to break up US bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-03-30 19:34 -0700

csiph-web