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On 3/31/2017 12:45 AM, bill.sloman@ieee.org wrote:
> On Friday, March 31, 2017 at 2:46:00 PM UTC+11, rickman wrote:
>> On 3/30/2017 10:47 PM, bill.sloman@ieee.org wrote:
>>> On Friday, March 31, 2017 at 3:03:19 AM UTC+11, Martin Brown wrote:
>>>> On 30/03/2017 16:47, Piotr Wyderski wrote:
>>>>> John Larkin wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I give up. If they don't want to sell stuff, that's OK with me.
>>>>>
>>>>> If somebody is shy about their prices, there usually is a good reason
>>>>> for that.
>>>>
>>>> It is a common misconception that everything is based on materials cost
>>>> plus pricing, but things are often priced on what the market will stand
>>>> and how few alternatives are available. De facto not quite monopolies.
>>>>
>>>> Good quality window glass in the past is a classic example. Or for some
>>>> more modern examples the Apple iP*d, Levi Jeans or Nike trainers.
>>>>
>>>> You are paying a lot extra for having the right badge on it...
>>>> (beyond what the engineering cost of manufacture entails)
>>>>
>>>> Unusual components with a long lead time a bespoke maker wants to know
>>>> if you will buy enough of them to be worth the effort of dealing with.
>>>
>>> http://www.businessballs.com/tompetersinsearchofexcellence.htm
>>>
>>> is a 1982 book by Tom Peters. He talks about "excellent" companies - Hewlett Packard, and IBM at that time - who could charge half-as-much-again more than the competition for essentially the same product because they had built up a reputation for quality and reliability.
>>>
>>> "Nobody got fired for buying IBM" though by the 1980's they should have been.
>>>
>>> Apple is the current example.
>>>
>>> That's what prestige is worth.
>>
>> If you think Apple charges more and delivers nothing but prestige, you
>> haven't used an Apple product.  HP made equipment with high quality that
>> was worth the price.  It performed then and continues to perform.
>
> I certainly wasn't arguing that Apple doesn't produce good products that do what they claim. What I was saying was the you can get the same sort of performance for about two thirds of the price from less prestigious manufacturers.
>
> It a lot to pay to save doing a bit of research on what you might buy before you buy it.

That's the point I disagree on, that Android phones provide the same 
"sort of performance".  A friend bought an Android phone and has had 
nothing but trouble with it, not because it is a poorly made phone (not 
necessarily anyway) but because there is *much* less quality in the 
software in many respects.  I still use a dumb phone, but I go online to 
research how to make her phone do what phones are supposed to do and it 
is a HUGE PITA.  I tried to get her phone to use different ring tones 
for different callers.  I could not find info that matched her phone. 
Something happened that made her phone start notifying her of every 
little thing that happened.  I had to go online and dig into the how to 
manage notifications.  You would think that is something that would be 
handled in one location (like a regular phone) but no, there are many, 
many places in the software you have to find and set.

If she had an iPhone, much, if not all of this would have been setup 
before she left the store.  *That* is the difference in quality with 
Apple phones.

-- 

Rick C

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pricing John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-03-28 08:59 -0700
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  Re: pricing Lasse Langwadt Christensen <langwadt@fonz.dk> - 2017-03-28 09:34 -0700
  Re: pricing Tim Wescott <tim@seemywebsite.com> - 2017-03-28 12:05 -0500
    Re: pricing Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> - 2017-03-28 14:52 -0400
    Re: pricing David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-03-29 10:54 +0200
  Re: pricing Tim Wescott <tim@seemywebsite.com> - 2017-03-28 12:14 -0500
    Re: pricing bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-03-28 16:01 -0400
  Re: pricing Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2017-03-28 18:19 +0100
  Re: pricing tabbypurr@gmail.com - 2017-03-28 11:58 -0700
  pricing klaus.kragelund@gmail.com - 2017-03-28 12:02 -0700
    Re: pricing John Robertson <spam@flippers.com> - 2017-03-28 12:24 -0700
    Re: pricing John Larkin <jjlarkinxyxy@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-03-28 13:06 -0700
      Re: pricing Klaus Kragelund <klauskvik@hotmail.com> - 2017-03-28 14:15 -0700
        Re: pricing Klaus Kragelund <klauskvik@hotmail.com> - 2017-03-28 14:18 -0700
        Re: pricing John Larkin <jjlarkinxyxy@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-03-28 15:44 -0700
          Re: pricing krw@notreal.com - 2017-03-28 22:39 -0400
            Re: pricing Piotr Wyderski <peter.pan@neverland.mil> - 2017-03-30 17:53 +0200
              Re: pricing Lasse Langwadt Christensen <langwadt@fonz.dk> - 2017-03-30 09:12 -0700
                Re: pricing krw@notreal.com - 2017-03-30 20:29 -0400
                Re: pricing Lasse Langwadt Christensen <langwadt@fonz.dk> - 2017-03-30 17:57 -0700
                Re: pricing krw@notreal.com - 2017-03-30 21:11 -0400
                Re: pricing bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-03-30 19:36 -0700
                Re: pricing Piotr Wyderski <peter.pan@neverland.mil> - 2017-03-31 08:32 +0200
                Re: pricing John Devereux <john@devereux.me.uk> - 2017-03-31 08:36 +0100
                Re: pricing Piotr Wyderski <peter.pan@neverland.mil> - 2017-03-31 09:57 +0200
                Re: pricing John Devereux <john@devereux.me.uk> - 2017-03-31 09:42 +0100
                Re: pricing rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-03-31 05:30 -0400
                Re: pricing John Devereux <john@devereux.me.uk> - 2017-03-31 12:04 +0100
                Re: pricing Lasse Langwadt Christensen <langwadt@fonz.dk> - 2017-03-31 10:36 -0700
              Re: pricing krw@notreal.com - 2017-03-30 20:28 -0400
                Re: pricing Piotr Wyderski <peter.pan@neverland.mil> - 2017-03-31 08:41 +0200
                Re: pricing krw@notreal.com - 2017-03-31 20:20 -0400
    Re: pricing Larry Sheldon <lfsheldon@gmail.com> - 2017-03-28 21:21 -0500
  Re: pricing Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2017-03-28 12:39 -0700
  Re: pricing doh@yipee.com - 2017-03-29 12:31 -0700
  Re: pricing Piotr Wyderski <peter.pan@neverland.mil> - 2017-03-30 17:47 +0200
    Re: pricing Martin Brown <'''newspam'''@nezumi.demon.co.uk> - 2017-03-30 17:03 +0100
      Re: pricing krw@notreal.com - 2017-03-30 20:34 -0400
        Re: pricing Martin Brown <'''newspam'''@nezumi.demon.co.uk> - 2017-03-31 09:20 +0100
          Re: pricing krw@notreal.com - 2017-03-31 20:25 -0400
      Re: pricing bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-03-30 19:47 -0700
        Re: pricing rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-03-30 23:45 -0400
          Re: pricing bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-03-30 21:45 -0700
            Re: pricing Clifford Heath <no.spam@please.net> - 2017-03-31 15:55 +1100
            Re: pricing rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-03-31 01:30 -0400
              Re: pricing krw@notreal.com - 2017-03-31 22:30 -0400
          Re: pricing Clifford Heath <no.spam@please.net> - 2017-03-30 16:07 +1100
            Re: pricing Piotr Wyderski <peter.pan@neverland.mil> - 2017-03-31 10:11 +0200
            Re: pricing Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2017-03-31 10:20 +0100
              Re: pricing Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> - 2017-03-31 20:41 +0000
            Re: pricing krw@notreal.com - 2017-03-31 22:27 -0400
              Re: pricing Clifford Heath <no.spam@please.net> - 2017-04-01 14:30 +1100
                Re: pricing krw@notreal.com - 2017-03-31 23:43 -0400
                Re: pricing Clifford Heath <no.spam@please.net> - 2017-04-01 18:15 +1100
                Re: pricing krw@notreal.com - 2017-04-01 09:46 -0400
          Re: pricing "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> - 2017-04-03 01:32 -0400
            Re: pricing krw@notreal.com - 2017-04-03 12:55 -0400
        Re: pricing Piotr Wyderski <peter.pan@neverland.mil> - 2017-03-31 10:05 +0200
          Re: pricing Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2017-03-31 10:21 +0100
            Re: pricing krw@notreal.com - 2017-03-31 22:31 -0400
          Re: pricing Martin Brown <'''newspam'''@nezumi.demon.co.uk> - 2017-04-01 09:10 +0100
  Re: pricing Cydrome Leader <presence@MUNGEpanix.com> - 2017-03-31 00:21 +0000

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