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Re: Simple Low Voltage Shut Down

From mike <ham789@netzero.net>
Newsgroups sci.electronics.design
Subject Re: Simple Low Voltage Shut Down
Date 2017-03-30 15:02 -0700
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On 3/30/2017 2:31 PM, Winfield Hill wrote:
> Tim Wescott wrote...
>>
>> On Thu, 30 Mar 2017 13:18:33 -0700, Winfield Hill wrote:
>>
>>> Tim Wescott wrote...
>>>>
>>>> Second, you want some hysteresis, or at a certain level of charge the
>>>> thing will start madly turning on and off.  Without hysteresis the
>>>> current will get shut off, the battery voltage will rebound, the circuit
>>>> will turn on, the battery voltage will get pulled low, and the cycle
>>>> will repeat.
>>>
>>>   True, but a 1-volt battery with no load doesn't rebound very much.  If
>>>   the hysteresis is, say, 0.25V, it should stay off.
>>
>> An Internet acquaintance of mine who used to be a battery engineer for GE
>> claimed that nearly-fully-discharged NiCd cells would rebound to 1.2V if
>> you gave them enough time, even if they couldn't deliver any significant
>> charge.
>>
>> But -- I'd have to test that theory on alkalines.
>
>   Alkalines are rather different, in a useful way.
>   Their open-circuit voltage drops from 1.55V to
>   1.0 or 0.9V, etc, as they're depleted, providing
>   a convenient way to evaluate their condition.
>
>
Is there a simple explanation for why this happens?
It's a chemical reaction with voltages determined by
chemistry/physics.  I can understand why the series
resistance would increase as the reagents are "used up".
But, why does the open-circuit voltage change?

I don't mean to hijack the thread, just a few words in
layman's terms or a link will suffice.
Thanks,

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Simple Low Voltage Shut Down Robert Miller <robert.miller@teledyne.com> - 2017-03-30 18:21 +1100
  Re: Simple Low Voltage Shut Down Winfield Hill <hill@rowland.harvard.edu> - 2017-03-30 05:13 -0700
    Re: Simple Low Voltage Shut Down Winfield Hill <hill@rowland.harvard.edu> - 2017-03-30 10:20 -0700
      Re: Simple Low Voltage Shut Down Tim Wescott <seemywebsite@myfooter.really> - 2017-03-30 14:39 -0500
    Re: Simple Low Voltage Shut Down Robert Miller <robert.miller@teledyne.com> - 2017-04-01 07:42 +1100
      Re: Simple Low Voltage Shut Down rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-03-31 18:03 -0400
        Re: Simple Low Voltage Shut Down Robert Miller <robert.miller@teledyne.com> - 2017-04-01 10:35 +1100
          Re: Simple Low Voltage Shut Down rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-03-31 19:49 -0400
      Re: Simple Low Voltage Shut Down Winfield Hill <hill@rowland.harvard.edu> - 2017-03-31 17:56 -0700
        Re: Simple Low Voltage Shut Down Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> - 2017-04-01 11:17 -0400
  Re: Simple Low Voltage Shut Down John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-03-30 07:14 -0700
  Re: Simple Low Voltage Shut Down Tim Wescott <tim@seemywebsite.com> - 2017-03-30 12:19 -0500
    Re: Simple Low Voltage Shut Down Winfield Hill <hill@rowland.harvard.edu> - 2017-03-30 13:18 -0700
      Re: Simple Low Voltage Shut Down Tim Wescott <seemywebsite@myfooter.really> - 2017-03-30 15:52 -0500
        Re: Simple Low Voltage Shut Down Winfield Hill <hill@rowland.harvard.edu> - 2017-03-30 14:31 -0700
          Re: Simple Low Voltage Shut Down mike <ham789@netzero.net> - 2017-03-30 15:02 -0700

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