Re: lambda functions in C

From	David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no>
Newsgroups	comp.lang.c
Subject	Re: lambda functions in C
Date	2017-03-12 18:18 +0100
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On 12/03/17 14:54, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
> On 3/12/2017 9:14 AM, David Brown wrote:
>> On 11/03/17 21:02, Malcolm McLean wrote:
>>> On Saturday, March 11, 2017 at 6:48:47 PM UTC, David Brown wrote:
>>>> On 11/03/17 19:26, Malcolm McLean wrote:
>>>>> On Saturday, March 11, 2017 at 4:17:51 PM UTC, David Brown wrote:
>>>>>> On 10/03/17 21:26, Malcolm McLean wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have to ask - to what are you referring as "/the/ important
>>>>>> problem in software design" ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The important problem is how to achieve behaviour (which we know
>>>>>> computers are capable of), to time and in a form which is usable
>>>>>> by our clients / customers / fans.
>>>>
>>>> Ah, so the single major problem in software design today is how to do
>>>> good software design?
>>>>
>>>> Your claim is a bit like telling us that "Bicycles are getting really
>>>> popular now.  Why now?  Because cars have run their course - no one now
>>>> believes they solve the important problem in transportation."  The
>>>> important problem in transportation being transporting things.
>>>>
>>> Yes,, but it's true enough to say that bicycles are getting really
>>> popular now, because cars have run their course - congestion, pollution,
>>> danger to pedestrians.
>>
>> I suppose you must be using the phrase "run their course" in a different
>> way from everyone else.  Horse-drawn carriages have run their course -
>> they are very rarely bought or used these days.  Cars are extremely
>> popular, both for using existing cars and as a choice for new
>> transportation uses.  They have /not/ "run their course", by any stretch
>> of the imagination.
>>
>
> Malcolm is in the U.K., where automobile use is much lower than here in
> the United States.  OTOH, bicycles are much more popular.
>

I know.  I am from the UK (Scotland) myself and did not consider the 
situation in the USA.  But even in bike friendly countries like the 
Netherlands, no one would consider cars as having "run their course".

>>>
>>> However C++ software projects very frequently do fail. You don't get
>>> a workable product before time and money run out. Of course projects
>>> built with C can also fail, but it's not at all clear that the "++"
>>> in C++ actually indicates that the success rate is greater.
>>
>> C++ is not an OOP language - it is a "multi-paradigm language".  It
>> started life from adding OOP features to C (to go along with the
>> existing procedural programming), but it also supports generic
>> programming and steadily more functional programming - as well as the
>> original procedural or imperative programming.
>>
>
> You can do true OOP in C++, so in that respect it is an OOP language.
> No, you don't HAVE to do OOP, but that does not mean it is not an OOP
> language.

C++ is a language that has lots of features to support OOP, so yes, it 
is an OOP language in that respect.  My point is that it is not /only/ 
an OOP language.  Malcolm seems to equate C++ and OOP, which is wrong.

>
>> Software projects in general often fail (at least to some extent).  I
>> know of no correlation between the choice of language and the risk of
>> failure showing that the language itself and/or the use of OOP is to blame.
>>
>
> Software projects fail for a number of reasons.  I've been involved with
> several large C++ projects over the years which have had great success.
> At the same time, I've been involved with some C projects which have failed.

Agreed.  As long as you make a decent choice of language for a project, 
then it is unlikely to be the language itself that determines success or 
failure.

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lambda functions in C Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2017-03-08 10:04 -0800
  Re: lambda functions in C BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-03-08 18:20 +0000
    Re: lambda functions in C Chad <cdalten@gmail.com> - 2017-03-08 11:12 -0800
      Re: lambda functions in C Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2017-03-08 11:36 -0800
        Re: lambda functions in C scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2017-03-08 20:43 +0000
        Re: lambda functions in C David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-03-08 21:55 +0100
          Re: lambda functions in C Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2017-03-08 13:18 -0800
            Re: lambda functions in C Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2017-03-10 12:44 -0800
        Re: lambda functions in C Chad <cdalten@gmail.com> - 2017-03-08 13:03 -0800
    Re: lambda functions in C Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2017-03-08 11:33 -0800
      Re: lambda functions in C scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2017-03-08 20:46 +0000
        Re: lambda functions in C Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2017-03-08 13:25 -0800
      Re: lambda functions in C "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2017-03-10 13:55 -0500
        Re: lambda functions in C supercat@casperkitty.com - 2017-03-10 11:09 -0800
          Re: lambda functions in C "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2017-03-10 14:51 -0500
        Re: lambda functions in C BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-03-10 19:19 +0000
          Re: lambda functions in C "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2017-03-10 14:53 -0500
            Re: lambda functions in C BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-03-11 14:17 +0000
              Re: lambda functions in C "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2017-03-11 06:55 -0800
                Re: lambda functions in C "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2017-03-11 07:05 -0800
  Re: lambda functions in C Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2017-03-08 13:55 -0800
    Re: lambda functions in C Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2017-03-08 23:41 +0000
      Re: lambda functions in C Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2017-03-09 05:03 -0800
        Re: lambda functions in C Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2017-03-09 14:06 +0000
        Re: lambda functions in C BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-03-09 14:20 +0000
          Re: lambda functions in C Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2017-03-09 08:07 -0800
            Re: lambda functions in C David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-03-09 21:50 +0100
              Re: lambda functions in C GOTHIER Nathan <nathan.gothier@gmail.com> - 2017-03-09 23:38 +0100
                Re: lambda functions in C Ike Naar <ike@iceland.freeshell.org> - 2017-03-09 22:46 +0000
                Re: lambda functions in C GOTHIER Nathan <nathan.gothier@gmail.com> - 2017-03-10 08:39 +0100
                Re: lambda functions in C Ike Naar <ike@iceland.freeshell.org> - 2017-03-10 08:03 +0000
                Re: lambda functions in C GOTHIER Nathan <nathan.gothier@gmail.com> - 2017-03-10 09:22 +0100
                Re: lambda functions in C Ike Naar <ike@iceland.freeshell.org> - 2017-03-10 19:24 +0000
                Re: lambda functions in C GOTHIER Nathan <nathan.gothier@gmail.com> - 2017-03-10 23:23 +0100
                Re: lambda functions in C Ike Naar <ike@iceland.freeshell.org> - 2017-03-11 18:02 +0000
                Re: lambda functions in C Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2017-03-09 20:48 -0500
                Re: lambda functions in C GOTHIER Nathan <nathan.gothier@gmail.com> - 2017-03-10 08:57 +0100
                Re: lambda functions in C Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2017-03-10 11:26 -0500
                Re: lambda functions in C GOTHIER Nathan <nathan.gothier@gmail.com> - 2017-03-10 17:53 +0100
                Re: lambda functions in C Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2017-03-10 13:17 -0500
                Re: lambda functions in C David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-03-11 17:11 +0100
                Re: lambda functions in C Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2017-03-10 00:38 -0800
                Re: lambda functions in C GOTHIER Nathan <nathan.gothier@gmail.com> - 2017-03-10 10:23 +0100
                Re: lambda functions in C Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2017-03-10 11:37 -0500
                Re: lambda functions in C Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2017-03-10 09:07 -0800
                Re: lambda functions in C Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2017-03-10 13:22 -0500
                Re: lambda functions in C Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2017-03-10 10:47 -0800
                Re: lambda functions in C Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2017-03-10 14:57 -0500
                Re: lambda functions in C Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2017-03-10 12:26 -0800
                Re: lambda functions in C Chad <cdalten@gmail.com> - 2017-03-10 12:49 -0800
                Re: lambda functions in C GOTHIER Nathan <nathan.gothier@gmail.com> - 2017-03-10 23:32 +0100
                Re: lambda functions in C Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2017-03-11 12:26 -0500
                Re: lambda functions in C David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-03-11 17:17 +0100
                Re: lambda functions in C Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2017-03-11 10:26 -0800
                Re: lambda functions in C David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-03-11 19:48 +0100
                Re: lambda functions in C Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2017-03-11 12:02 -0800
                Re: lambda functions in C Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2017-03-12 09:14 +1300
                Re: lambda functions in C "James R. Kuyper" <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2017-03-11 15:44 -0500
                Re: lambda functions in C Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2017-03-12 09:51 +1300
                Re: lambda functions in C "James R. Kuyper" <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2017-03-11 16:11 -0500
                Re: lambda functions in C jacobnavia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr> - 2017-03-11 22:21 +0100
                Re: lambda functions in C jameskuyper@verizon.net - 2017-03-11 13:36 -0800
                Re: lambda functions in C jacobnavia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr> - 2017-03-11 23:48 +0100
                Re: lambda functions in C Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2017-03-12 11:55 +1300
                Re: lambda functions in C "James R. Kuyper" <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2017-03-11 18:34 -0500
                Re: lambda functions in C Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2017-03-12 15:23 +1300
                Re: lambda functions in C BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-03-12 11:42 +0000
                Re: lambda functions in C GOTHIER Nathan <nathan.gothier@gmail.com> - 2017-03-12 13:49 +0100
                Re: lambda functions in C "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2017-03-12 10:56 -0700
                Re: lambda functions in C jameskuyper@verizon.net - 2017-03-11 15:30 -0800
                Re: lambda functions in C jacobnavia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr> - 2017-03-12 00:37 +0100
                Re: lambda functions in C Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2017-03-11 17:23 -0800
                Re: lambda functions in C David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-03-12 14:32 +0100
                Re: lambda functions in C Gareth Owen <gwowen@gmail.com> - 2017-03-12 07:22 +0000
                Re: lambda functions in C Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2017-03-12 11:10 +1300
                Re: lambda functions in C Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2017-03-12 11:08 +1300
                Re: lambda functions in C GOTHIER Nathan <nathan.gothier@gmail.com> - 2017-03-12 00:17 +0100
                Re: lambda functions in C David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-03-12 14:14 +0100
                Re: lambda functions in C Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2017-03-12 09:54 -0400
                Re: lambda functions in C GOTHIER Nathan <nathan.gothier@gmail.com> - 2017-03-12 15:10 +0100
                Re: lambda functions in C Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2017-03-12 08:08 -0700
                Re: lambda functions in C GOTHIER Nathan <nathan.gothier@gmail.com> - 2017-03-12 16:49 +0100
                Re: lambda functions in C Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2017-03-12 14:28 -0400
                Re: lambda functions in C GOTHIER Nathan <nathan.gothier@gmail.com> - 2017-03-13 00:03 +0100
                Re: lambda functions in C Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2017-03-12 19:15 -0400
                Re: lambda functions in C David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-03-12 18:18 +0100
                Re: lambda functions in C Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2017-03-12 10:42 -0700
                Re: lambda functions in C David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-03-12 20:53 +0100
                Re: lambda functions in C supercat@casperkitty.com - 2017-03-10 07:09 -0800
                Re: lambda functions in C supercat@casperkitty.com - 2017-03-10 08:56 -0800
                Re: lambda functions in C GOTHIER Nathan <nathan.gothier@gmail.com> - 2017-03-10 08:49 +0100
    Re: lambda functions in C Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2017-03-09 04:12 -0800
  Re: lambda functions in C Alain Ketterlin <alain@universite-de-strasbourg.fr.invalid> - 2017-03-09 10:38 +0100
  Re: lambda functions in C Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2017-03-09 08:48 -0800
    Re: lambda functions in C Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2017-03-09 09:45 -0800
      Re: lambda functions in C Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2017-03-09 09:51 -0800
    Re: lambda functions in C Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2017-03-09 09:50 -0800
      Re: lambda functions in C Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2017-03-09 11:08 -0800
        Re: lambda functions in C Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2017-03-10 08:22 +1300
          Re: lambda functions in C Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2017-03-09 12:12 -0800
        Re: lambda functions in C Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2017-03-09 11:29 -0800
      Re: lambda functions in C Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2017-03-09 13:33 -0800
        Re: lambda functions in C Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2017-03-09 13:42 -0800
          Re: lambda functions in C Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2017-03-10 11:02 +1300
          Re: lambda functions in C Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2017-03-09 14:30 -0800
          Re: lambda functions in C Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2017-03-09 15:07 -0800
  Re: lambda functions in C jacobnavia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr> - 2017-03-11 21:45 +0100
    Re: lambda functions in C Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2017-03-13 06:13 -0700

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