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In article <2017Mar12.111253@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at>,
Anton Ertl <anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at> wrote:
>Bernd Paysan <bernd@net2o.de> writes:
>>Am Mon, 06 Mar 2017 17:16:43 +0000 schrieb Anton Ertl:
>>
>>> Well, the typical description for implementation-defined behaviour in
>>> the standard document is "ambiguous condition", so I would not be
>>> surprised if that's what he means with "ambiguity".
>>
>>That is IMHO actually a problem, and should go away.  If it is
>>implementation-defined behavior, it should be named "implementation-
>>defined behavior".
>
>Actually, the documentation requirements of Forth-94 and Forth-2012
>mean that ambiguous conditions are implementation-defined (in the
>C-standard sense); see Section 4.1.2.  I think that these
>documentation requirements don't provide any benefit.  And it seems
>that I am not the only one: I don't find any trace of the required
>documentation in the VFX manual (and I have never missed it).  The
>SwiftForth and Gforth manuals contain the required documentation, but
>that does not mean it provides a benefit.
>
>>Ambiguous is something the implementer himself
>>doesn't know what it will do (e.g. <something> >R EXIT).
>
>The implementer certainly knows what <something> >R EXIT does on his
>system.  The further behaviour (after the EXIT) may depend on the rest
>of the environment in addition to the system, but the system
>implementor would not need to document the behaviour after the EXIT
>even if the documentation requirements required documenting this.
>
>>A quite big number of ambiguous conditions are actually error exits.  If
>>the system implements THROW, you will expect it to throw an error code,
>>either one of the standard error codes, or an implementation-defined one,
>>but there is little room for the implementer.  We need to define "error
>>condition" in a way that systems without the optional exception wordset
>>could just ABORT, and the others would throw an implementation-defined
>>throw code, and probably get rid of 2/3 of all ambiguous conditions.
>
>Or we make THROW core.  The exception wordset was new in 1994, so it
>was not made core at the time, but in the meantime it has proven its
>value (it may be the most valuable innovation of Forth-94), and there
>is no point in contorting ourselves in lots of places just to keep it
>optional.

This doesn't help. THROW is core in ciforth as core as it gets.
Now if you type    1 0 / you get a crash and linux says
"memory fault core dumped "
"floating point exception "
or some such.
That is an ambigeous condition. If you you put the requirement that
this must end in an ABORT that means that the Forth must be able to
use the Linux exception mechanism. For simple Forth's that is a
heavy burden for almost no benefit, to help out with
an incorrect Forth program.

In the example of ciforth, you can do INSTALL-TRAPS in lina32, this
will be caught, and it results in a warm start.
You can't do INSTALL-TRAPS in lina64 because I couldn't figure it
out in a reasonable amount of time. The trap mechanism is virtually
undocumented on the system call level, one has to go through a c-library.
It is a resident library, so it requires implementing a read shared
libraries mechanism. Analysing the c code stopped for me when I had
manage to generate a 1 Megabyte assembler file after a static linking.
Somewhere the mechanism to use traps is hidden in there.

In the world of micro controllers it is even worse. You divide
by zero, your computer gets bezerk, get over it.
You don't know what happens, you don't care what happens, because
you know for sure that it is a mistake. That is "ambigeous condition"
for you.

>
>>The big problem with "UB" in the C standard is, that UB can be three
>>things: implementation defined behavior, error condition, and actual
>>ambiguous at run-time.  And that the C language lawyers feel free to play
>>Humpty Dumpty on them, and define each as they please
>
>Actually, the language lawyers define each case of undefined behaviour
>as "The compiler is allowed to do anything, and that's good for you,
>for C, and for the world at large".  In earlier time "do anything" was
>illustrated with "erase your hard disk", but that was apparently too
>much based in reality, so at some point they switched to the "nasal
>demon" meme.

This is somewhat misrepresenting it. You must never have an UB in your
program. (Unless your compiler vendor guarantees a specific behaviour
in the specific circumstances you're in.) So as far as the "how to
program" part is concerned, there is nothing ambiguous about
ambiguous conditions. Don't do that.

>
>>We clearly don't want this,
>>but we also want to give the implementers freedom where they need it.
>
>I think this implementor-centric view is what got C into trouble.  We
>should rather take a more programmer-centric view: How many
>programmers want to do the thing that's not standardized (whether
>ambiguous or otherwise).  What behaviour do those who want to do it
>expect?  Or do programmers stumble over that behaviour by accident?
>In that case, what is the sensible behaviour?  Reporting an exception,
>or something else?

I don't think that C is "in trouble" in the first place.
Nothing compared to Syria or the USA.

>
>- anton

Groetjes Albert
-- 
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