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Re: velocity and time

From Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Newsgroups sci.physics.relativity
Subject Re: velocity and time
Date 2017-02-14 15:42 -0600
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On 2/14/2017 3:32 PM, Robert Winn wrote:
> On Tuesday, February 14, 2017 at 10:25:31 AM UTC-7, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>> On 2/14/2017 8:44 AM, Robert Winn wrote:
>>> On Tuesday, February 14, 2017 at 5:43:28 AM UTC-7, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>> On 2/13/2017 10:21 AM, Robert Winn wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, in a coordinateless world, you would be able to enforce your idea that people should not
>>>>> be allowed to use coordinates, but Rene Descartes invented Cartesian coordinates, so there is
>>>>> not much you can do about it.  Einstein said he was using two sets of Cartesian coordinates.
>>>>> Maybe if Einstein was still alive, you could correct him and tell him he was not allowed to
>>>>> use two sets of Cartesian coordinates.
>>>>> But Einstein died a long time ago.  There is nothing you can do about it now.  So since Einstein
>>>>> used two sets of Cartesian coordinates, I have been using two sets of Cartesian coordinates.
>>>>> Sorry it bothers you so much.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Well, Robert, the only person here who has said anything about a
>>>> coordinateless word and not being allowed to use coordinates is you.
>>>> Somehow you imagined that I said something about either one.
>>>>
>>>> So did you just make that up to yank someone's chain, or did you have a
>>>> serious break with reality just then?
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
>>>
>>> I did not make anything up.  You came to me with these complaints about the fact that I was using coordinates.
>>
>> No I didn't. I came to you with the complaint that you were calling the
>> Galilean transform equations coordinate systems, when they are not. That
>> has NOTHING to do with you using coordinates and saying that's not a
>> good thing. It's about you making a MISTAKE, and your response to having
>> that pointed out to you is that you made up something I did not say.
>>
>> It's the way your mind works.
>>
>>
>> --
>> Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
>
> The only variable in the Galilean transformation equations that is not a coordinate is v.
>

That STILL does not make Galilean transformation equations coordinate 
systems. Coordinate systems are not represented by equations, Robert. If 
you can't tell what a coordinate system is, then don't use the term. It 
simply is foolish to look at something that has coordinates in it and 
conclude that what you're looking at must be a coordinate system.

You were mentioning earlier that you consider scientists to be 
spectacularly stupid. And yet you do something like this, and then stick 
to your guns about it. Don't you think you've condemned the speck in 
another's eye while ignoring the beam in your own?

-- 
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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