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Re: Capacitor soakage

From Frank Miles <fpm@u.washington.edu>
Newsgroups sci.electronics.design
Subject Re: Capacitor soakage
Date 2017-02-08 22:36 +0000
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On Wed, 08 Feb 2017 10:30:28 -0800, George Herold wrote:

> On Wednesday, February 8, 2017 at 11:59:10 AM UTC-5, Phil Hobbs wrote:
>> On 02/08/2017 11:43 AM, Prof78 wrote:
>> > On Monday, 6 February 2017 13:57:52 UTC, Spehro Pefhany  wrote:
>> >> On Mon, 6 Feb 2017 05:31:04 -0800 (PST), the renowned Prof78
>> >> <scott.hamilton@manchester.ac.uk> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Looking for advice/experience on measurement of capacitor
>> >>> soakage. Would like to determine an approximate equivalent
>> >>> circuit for a 1uF polypropylene capacitor at very low
>> >>> frequency/time intervals of tens of seconds.
>> >>>
>> >>> Scott Hamilton.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Did you read  Bob Pease's article? A bunch of RC's in parallel with
>> >> an ideal cap should do it.
>> >>
>> >> --sp
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> -- Best regards, Spehro Pefhany
>> >
>> > Yes I have read the articles by Bob Pease but I need to be able to
>> > measure and determine the equivalent circuit for a given capacitor so
>> > that compensation can be applied. Each unit is hand adjusted.
>> 
>> Yikes, that sounds like nailing jello to a tree.  Do you have any reason 
>> to suppose that all the internal time constants would be 
>> temperature-independent?  Cuz otherwise that's a nasty calibration table 
>> to create.
> 
> Is there any reason to believe it will be linear with the voltage step? 
> (Sounds like a research project.) 
> 
> I thought I read once that teflon caps had low soakage.  Maybe they 
> are better than polypropylene?  
> 
> George h. 
>> 
>> Cheers
>> 
>> Phil Hobbs
>> 
>> -- 
>> Dr Philip C D Hobbs
>> Principal Consultant
>> ElectroOptical Innovations LLC
>> Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics
>> 
>> 160 North State Road #203
>> Briarcliff Manor NY 10510
>> 
>> hobbs at electrooptical dot net
>> http://electrooptical.net

My dim recollection is that teflon is not so good.  It wouldn't be surprising -
fluorine having such strong electronegativity would likely have a "polarizing"
effect that could be subject to relaxation responses.

Mylar is definitely bad; polycarbonates not great either.  Polypropylene is
good, perhaps nearly as good as the ever-meltable polystyrene.

The ceramics are mostly mediocre (or worse), though some of the newer C0Gs are 
close to polypropylene.

Ah yes... got me to look it up in AoE3(p301): mostly what I've been sayin',
except for the PTFE!  This may be another case like the C0Gs - i.e. dependent
on manufacturer/unknown parameters.

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Capacitor soakage Prof78 <scott.hamilton@manchester.ac.uk> - 2017-02-06 05:31 -0800
  Re: Capacitor soakage Spehro Pefhany <speffSNIP@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> - 2017-02-06 08:57 -0500
    Re: Capacitor soakage Prof78 <scott.hamilton@manchester.ac.uk> - 2017-02-08 08:43 -0800
      Re: Capacitor soakage Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> - 2017-02-08 11:59 -0500
        Re: Capacitor soakage George Herold <gherold@teachspin.com> - 2017-02-08 10:30 -0800
          Re: Capacitor soakage Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> - 2017-02-08 13:39 -0500
            Re: Capacitor soakage John Larkin <jjlarkinxyxy@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-02-08 12:38 -0800
              Re: Capacitor soakage Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> - 2017-02-08 16:11 -0500
                Re: Capacitor soakage John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-02-09 08:30 -0800
                Re: Capacitor soakage Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> - 2017-02-09 14:55 -0500
            Re: Capacitor soakage bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-02-08 14:53 -0800
              Re: Capacitor soakage Spehro Pefhany <speffSNIP@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> - 2017-02-08 19:11 -0500
          Re: Capacitor soakage Frank Miles <fpm@u.washington.edu> - 2017-02-08 22:36 +0000
            Re: Capacitor soakage George Herold <gherold@teachspin.com> - 2017-02-08 17:48 -0800
              Re: Capacitor soakage John Larkin <jjlarkinxyxy@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-02-09 11:17 -0800
                Re: Capacitor soakage "Tim Williams" <tiwill@seventransistorlabs.com> - 2017-02-09 16:46 -0600
                Re: Capacitor soakage krw@notreal.com - 2017-02-09 20:44 -0500
                Re: Capacitor soakage bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-02-09 19:15 -0800
                Re: Capacitor soakage John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-02-09 20:54 -0800
            Re: Capacitor soakage John Larkin <jjlarkinxyxy@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-02-09 11:16 -0800
              Re: Capacitor soakage George Herold <gherold@teachspin.com> - 2017-02-09 12:02 -0800
          Re: Capacitor soakage Robert Baer <robertbaer@localnet.com> - 2017-02-08 20:50 -0800
            Re: Capacitor soakage George Herold <gherold@teachspin.com> - 2017-02-09 06:36 -0800
      Re: Capacitor soakage Phil Allison <pallison49@gmail.com> - 2017-02-08 17:10 -0800
  Re: Capacitor soakage Phil Allison <pallison49@gmail.com> - 2017-02-06 06:51 -0800
    Re: Capacitor soakage Prof78 <scott.hamilton@manchester.ac.uk> - 2017-02-08 08:32 -0800
      Re: Capacitor soakage Tim Wescott <seemywebsite@myfooter.really> - 2017-02-08 17:48 -0600
      Re: Capacitor soakage "Tim Williams" <tiwill@seventransistorlabs.com> - 2017-02-08 17:56 -0600

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