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Re: EXIT THEN

From Gerry Jackson <gerry@jackson9000.fsnet.co.uk>
Newsgroups comp.lang.forth
Subject Re: EXIT THEN
Date 2017-01-23 11:22 +0000
Organization A noiseless patient Spider
Message-ID <o64ouj$ofi$1@dont-email.me> (permalink)

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On Sunday, January 22, 2017 at 10:30:17 PM UTC, hughag...@gmail.com wrote:
 > On Sunday, January 22, 2017 at 2:15:27 AM UTC-7, Gerry wrote:
 > > On 21/01/2017 02:55, hughaguilar96@gmail.com wrote:
 > > > On Friday, January 20, 2017 at 6:47:45 AM UTC-7, Gerry wrote:

...

 > I didn't notice that the code had OF rather than IF inside of it. I 
agree that using OF outside of a CASE is non-standard.

Hence my question below about whether you ever fully read a post before 
attacking.

 >
 > > > Here we have Gerry accusing HAA of being a "standard Forth hater" and
 > > > saying that his use of END will "lead to your posts being ignored."
 > > > These are strong words --- also idiotic --- END is trivial to write
 > > > in standard ANS-Forth.
 > >
 > > Don't you ever read a post properly? Or do you just take in a 
sample of
 > > words from a sentence and then enter attack mode, inventing things
 > > people didn't write? I wrote "carrying on griping and sniping about 
the
 > > standard is tedious and will lead to your posts being ignored". I
 > > suspect you've already achieved that status with many people.
 >

...

 > > > This is what Elizabeth Rather
 > > > demands --- this is the same as in COBOL in which all programs
 > > > were written in raw COBOL without any help from any code-library
 > > > whatsoever --- this was done in COBOL because the stated goal was
 > > > that the programs would be readable by non-programmers (mostly
 > > > business majors) who have learned raw COBOL but who haven't learned
 > > > about any extensions (called "subroutines").
 > >
 > > I don't understand why you waste your time writing crap like this,
 > > nobody reads it, you'd be better off spending your time getting on 
with
 > > Straight Forth - or even finding a garage with some screws that need
 > > sorting :)
 >
 > I don't understand why you waste your time defending crap like 
ANS-Forth. Nobody uses ANS-Forth

I don't defend all of it, many of your criticisms are valid e.g. PAD 
moving around is stupid (but understandable in a historical context). 
But then it is trivial to define a text buffer and use that ignoring PAD 
totally.

I use, and I suppose thereby sort of defend, ANS Forth because I can use 
other people's code if I wish e.g. your String Stack, your Novice 
package, the FFL, the Forth scientific Library. Some years ago I used 
Anton Ertl's Gray parser generator 'out of the box' and extended it to 
do what I wanted. I can use ANS standard code posted here if I wish. I 
can write tools that others can use on different Forth systems. Sure ANS 
Forth sometimes gets in the way but there are always ways round it.

Is that enough reasons?

 > --- you'd be better off spending your time helping me with Straight Forth

Sorry I've enough on my plate with other projects, family life etc.

 > --- or just become a COBOL programmer, as there is some employment 
opportunities still available for COBOL, which is not true of ANS-Forth.

Now you're being silly.

 >
 > ANS-Forth is total crap!!! Just press the flush lever

Well until something better comes along ...

 > --- I think the ANS-Forth enthusiasts can't admit a mistake and so 
they continue to defend ANS-Forth decades after it became obvious that 
it was a mistake --- this is very similar to a bad poker player who 
continues betting on his pocket tens after the flop comes all faces and 
aces and the opponents have begun betting and raising.

I wouldn't know about that.

-- 

Gerry

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Re: EXIT THEN Gerry Jackson <gerry@jackson9000.fsnet.co.uk> - 2017-01-23 11:22 +0000
  Re: EXIT THEN hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-01-23 10:23 -0800
    Re: EXIT THEN rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-01-23 15:05 -0500
      Re: EXIT THEN hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-01-23 21:58 -0800
        Re: EXIT THEN rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-01-24 03:53 -0500
          Re: EXIT THEN hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-01-27 18:55 -0800
            Re: EXIT THEN hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-01-28 16:06 -0800
            Re: EXIT THEN hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-01-29 22:26 -0800
            Re: EXIT THEN hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-03-22 07:04 -0700
    Re: EXIT THEN Gerry Jackson <gerry@jackson9000.fsnet.co.uk> - 2017-01-23 21:04 +0000

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