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Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package

From Alex <alex@rivadpm.com>
Newsgroups comp.lang.forth
Subject Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package
Date 2016-12-31 00:09 +0000
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On 12/30/2016 22:44, Elizabeth D. Rather wrote:
> On 12/30/16 11:10 AM, Alex wrote:
>> On 12/30/2016 17:19, Gerry Jackson wrote:
>>> On 30/12/2016 15:57, john wrote:
>>
>>>>
>>>> I would consider every stack diagram ever produced as ambiguous.
>>>
>>> To take an example, given the description of the stack notation in
>>> section 2.2.2 of the standard and the definition of x in section 3.1
>>> what is ambiguous in the stack diagram  for DROP  ( x -- ) ?
>>
>> Perhaps John means it should be
>>
>> ( depth if " x -- " else "see section A.3.2.3" then )
>
> Since the appendices are explicitly non-normative, I don't think it's
> appropriate to reference them. The text definition for DROP says,
> "Remove x from the stack." What's ambiguous about this?
>

Nothing, and that's my point below.

> The ambiguous condition here is a potential stack underflow, which is
> not a property of DROP or its responsibility, but an appropriate concern
> of the programmer. It is globally the responsibility of a Forth
> programmer to provide appropriate stack items to definitions.

Yes. I was only using it as an illustration of John's argument.

>
>> There comes a point when ambiguity is not the right word (or concept),
>> and I fear we are, courtesy of Hugh Aguilar's banging on about FIND et
>> al's "ambiguities" and ANS Forth's liberal use of the term, well into a
>> rabbit hole, and we need to extricate ourselves.

See point above.

>>
>> A.3.2.3 (which calls stack underflow a "hard reality") should be
>> considered as, in the defining words of the standard, implementation
>> dependent.
>>
>> ANS Forth says:
>>
>> ambiguous condition:  A circumstance for which this Standard does not
>> prescribe a specific behavior for Forth systems and programs. Ambiguous
>> conditions include such things as the absence of a needed delimiter
>> while parsing, attempted access to a nonexistent file, or attempted use
>> of a nonexistent word. An ambiguous condition also exists when a
>> Standard word is passed values that are improper or out of range.
>>
>> implementation defined:  Denotes system behaviors or features that must
>> be provided and documented by a system but whose further details are not
>> prescribed by this Standard.
>>
>> implementation dependent:  Denotes system behaviors or features that
>> must be provided by a system but whose further details are not
>> prescribed by this Standard [which is the same as IMPLEMENTATION DEFINED
>> but does not require to be documented].
>>
>> There are 140 (!) uses of AMBIGUOUS CONDITION in the ANS 94 text, 63 of
>> UNDEFINED, and 17 of IMPLEMENTATION DEPENDENT, 22 of IMPLEMENTATION
>> DEFINED.
>>
>> UNDEFINED is undefined; uses of the word seem to be as a synonym of
>> IMPLEMENTATION DEFINED or DEPENDENT.
>
> The common synonym for "ambiguous condition" is "error" or "exception".
> In the development of ANS Forth arguments broke out as to which of those
> words should be used in various instances, as they have both formal and
> informal meanings in computing. Haskell.org, for example, warns, "There
> has been confusion about the distinction between errors and exceptions
> for a long time, repeated threads in Haskell-Cafe and more and more
> packages that handle errors and exceptions or something between.
> Although both terms are related and sometimes hard to distinguish, it is
> important to do it carefully." After that debate had raged in the Forth
> TC for some years, the TC finally decided to punt, and replaced all
> instances of either with "ambiguous condition." We also added the
> requirement that a compliant system should document its response to
> certain of them.

I disagree with the characterisation of "ambiguous condition" as error 
or exception; rather it is an unclassified *state*. It's the ultimate 
"here be dragons". The section 3.4.4 talks of *actions* on an ambiguous 
condition, but declines to rule out anything; that's a different issue.

===
3.4.4 Possible actions on an ambiguous condition

When an ambiguous condition exists, a system may take one or more of the 
following actions:

     ignore and continue;
     display a message;
     execute a particular word;
     set interpretation state and begin text interpretation;
     take other implementation-defined actions;
     take implementation-dependent actions.

The response to a particular ambiguous condition need not be the same 
under all circumstances.
===


>
>> It would help if there were fewer of these definitions, but it would
>> help more if we used the right term. Ambiguous is being used as a catch
>> all, and that's just confusing everyone.
>
> If you or someone would like to undertake going through the current
> document and propose replacing all reference to "ambiguous condition"
> with either "error" or "exception" that might or might not be helpful,

As above, it's not what's required. Calling everything "ambiguous" is 
not helpful, and Hugh is doing it (again) on another thread in reference 
to the lack of specificity in relation to the control stack.

> and would certainly give the committee something to talk about for many
> years. Meanwhile, programmers should just interpret any possibility of
> an "ambiguous condition" as something to take steps to avoid.

It will not prevent Hugh's indignation.

>
> Cheers,
> Elizabeth
>


-- 
Alex

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  Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2016-12-24 05:40 -0600
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            Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package awegel@arcor.de (Alexander Wegel) - 2016-12-28 05:39 +0100
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                Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2016-12-30 21:10 +0000
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                Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2016-12-31 00:26 +0000
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                Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2017-01-02 21:58 -1000
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                Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package awegel@arcor.de (Alexander Wegel) - 2017-01-04 22:34 +0100
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                Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package albert@cherry.spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2017-01-24 14:19 +0100
                Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2017-01-24 03:13 -0600
                Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2017-01-24 08:08 -0500
                Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package albert@cherry.spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2017-01-24 14:23 +0100
                Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2017-01-24 09:10 -0500
                Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2017-01-24 15:35 +0000
                Persitent memory (was Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package) Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2017-01-24 14:19 -0500
                Re: Persitent memory (was Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package) Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2017-01-24 15:00 -0500
                Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-01-24 14:49 -0800
                Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2017-01-25 03:26 -0600
                Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-01-26 04:27 -0800
                Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2017-01-26 08:35 -0600
                Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package albert@cherry.spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2017-01-21 14:19 +0100
                Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-01-22 12:55 -0800
                Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2017-01-19 15:28 +0000
                Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-01-19 14:44 -0800
                Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Rod Pemberton <NeedNotReplyHere@xrsevnneqk.cem> - 2017-01-19 20:30 -0500
                Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2017-01-20 18:21 +0000
                Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2017-01-20 03:52 -0600
                Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-01-20 06:58 -0800
                Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2017-01-20 12:57 -0800
                Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-01-20 16:31 -0800
                Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2017-01-20 17:31 -0800
                Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2017-01-19 08:48 -0800
                Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2017-01-19 17:18 +0000
                Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package alex@rivadpm.com - 2017-01-19 11:01 -0800
                Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-01-19 14:51 -0800
                Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package albert@cherry.spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2017-01-19 13:07 +0100
                Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2017-01-19 14:26 +0000
                Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2017-01-16 09:03 -0600
                Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2017-01-15 15:08 -1000
                Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-01-15 17:23 -0800
                Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Rod Pemberton <NeedNotReplyHere@xrsevnneqk.cem> - 2017-01-15 22:18 -0500
                Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2017-01-16 09:08 -0600
                Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-01-18 06:56 -0800
                Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2017-01-14 09:31 +0000
                Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2017-01-15 17:33 -0600
                Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2017-01-10 09:55 +0000
                Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2017-01-09 04:05 -0600
                Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-01-09 16:00 -0800
                Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2017-01-10 04:13 -0600
                Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-01-12 06:40 -0800
                Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-01-02 21:07 -0800
                Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2017-01-03 04:46 -0600
                Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-01-03 16:11 -0800
                Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2017-01-04 04:27 -0600
                Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-01-04 14:26 -0800
                Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2017-01-04 23:09 +0000
                Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2017-01-05 00:02 +0000
                Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-01-05 02:19 -0800
                Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-01-05 05:56 -0500
                Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-01-05 06:33 -0800
                Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package awegel@arcor.de (Alexander Wegel) - 2017-01-05 16:56 +0100
                Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2017-01-05 19:03 +0000
                Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-01-06 06:45 -0500
                Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2017-01-05 04:27 -0600
                Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-01-05 06:22 -0800
                Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2017-01-05 09:10 -0600
                Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2017-01-04 23:05 +0000
                Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-01-03 22:05 -0800
                Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-01-04 13:44 -0800
                Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2017-01-01 20:53 -1000
                Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-01-01 19:55 -0800
                Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-01-01 21:13 -0800
                Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package foxaudioresearch@gmail.com - 2017-01-02 07:14 -0800
                Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2017-01-02 07:42 -1000
                Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package albert@cherry.spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2017-01-03 02:00 +0100
                Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Rod Pemberton <NeedNotReplyHere@xrsevnneqk.cem> - 2017-01-03 00:13 -0500
                Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2017-01-02 22:02 -1000
                Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2017-01-03 11:19 +0000
                Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-01-03 21:37 -0800
                Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-01-02 21:55 -0800
                Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2017-01-03 11:26 +0000
                Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2017-01-02 10:47 +0000
                Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-01-02 20:57 -0800
                Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-12-30 18:35 -0800
                Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package awegel@arcor.de (Alexander Wegel) - 2016-12-31 04:29 +0100
                Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2016-12-31 10:19 +0000
                Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2017-01-02 17:08 +0000
                Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package "HAA" <someone@microsoft.com> - 2017-01-06 13:39 +1100
                Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-01-05 19:13 -0800
          Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-12-27 23:57 -0800
            Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package awegel@arcor.de (Alexander Wegel) - 2016-12-30 20:54 +0100
        Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-12-29 19:05 -0800
          Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-12-29 19:38 -0800
          Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package "HAA" <someone@microsoft.com> - 2016-12-30 15:24 +1100
          Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Gerry Jackson <gerry@jackson9000.fsnet.co.uk> - 2016-12-30 16:01 +0000
            Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-12-30 14:33 -0800
        Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-12-29 16:04 -0800
          Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package "HAA" <someone@microsoft.com> - 2016-12-30 12:42 +1100
          Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2016-12-30 07:24 +0000
            Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-12-30 12:50 -0800
              Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2016-12-30 21:43 +0000
                Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-12-30 14:38 -0800
                Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2016-12-31 10:31 +0000
                Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-12-31 07:04 -0800
                Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-12-31 07:07 -0800
                Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Julian Fondren <julian.fondren@gmail.com> - 2016-12-31 07:46 -0800
                Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-12-31 08:28 -0800
        Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package albert@cherry.spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2016-12-30 16:53 +0100
        Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-01-06 20:49 -0800
          Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2017-01-06 23:28 -0600
            Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-01-06 22:22 -0800
          Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package awegel@arcor.de (Alexander Wegel) - 2017-01-07 14:55 +0100
            Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2017-01-07 21:20 +0000
              Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package awegel@arcor.de (Alexander Wegel) - 2017-01-07 22:57 +0100
            Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2017-01-08 17:02 +0000
              Re: "Hello world" using Hughs novice package hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-01-08 16:55 -0800

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