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Re: absence of max

From David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no>
Newsgroups comp.lang.c
Subject Re: absence of max
Date 2016-11-28 16:53 +0100
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On 28/11/16 16:13, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> On Sunday, November 27, 2016 at 11:47:10 AM UTC-5, David Brown wrote:
>> On 27/11/16 13:25, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>>> I wrote a reply last night, but I guess it was lost somehow.  It basically said
>>> Python's a weakly-typed language, isn't it?  If so it would have to have its
>>> own built-in min() and max() functions to be able to reliably compare
>>> disparate types.  I see you also mention this as a need in C, but I would
>>> argue to a lesser degree because of casting.  We can create a macro with
>>> a trinary operator and generate code for every case.  The compiler may
>>> complain here or there so you apply the appropriate cast.
>>
>> Python is a strongly typed language, not a weakly typed language (such 
>> as C).
> 
> Are you saying "C is a weakly typed language" or "Python is a strongly
> typed language like C?"

I don't think there are any clear and non-controversial definitions of
strong and weak typing.  But I believe C is usually classified as
"weakly typed" because it is relatively easy to mess around with types
(some conversions are done implicitly, especially via void*, and enums
are particularly weak) and a great deal of data is simply "int".

Python is classified as strongly typed because every object has a
specific type, and type conversions actually change the data (so if you
use a number as a string, a formatting function is called to generate a
new string from the number - the language does not merely try to
re-interpret the number as though it were a string).


> 
>> But Python is a dynamically typed language, with duck-typing.
> 
> How can a dynamically typed language be a strongly typed language?
> I was under the impression in Python you could code this:
> 
>     n = 5
>     print n
>     n = "Hello, world"
>     print n

Yes, you can do that - because Python is dynamically typed.  But dynamic
typing does not mean weak typing.  In the Python code above, "n" is just
a name - it is not an object.  The objects are 5 and "Hello, world",
each of which has very clear and definitive types that do not change.
All that changes is the binding of the name "n" to those two objects.

> 
> The token "n" can be used for multiple variable types.  I tested this
> using the online test page:
> 
>     http://mathcs.holycross.edu/~kwalsh/python/
> 
> I see on the Python wiki that it answers this question:
> 
>     https://wiki.python.org/moin/Why%20is%20Python%20a%20dynamic%20language%20and%20also%20a%20strongly%20typed%20language
> 
> I disagree with the way the term "strongly typed" is used there because
> I consider C to be a strongly typed language.  You type "char c" and
> that's all C can ever be within that scope.
> 
> That's a philosophical difference I suppose.

C is statically typed, while Python is dynamically typed.  Those terms
are /not/ synonymous with "strongly typed" and "weakly typed" - I think
you can have all combinations (though I can't think of any weakly typed
dynamically typed language off hand).

Once you have your "char c", it is not hard to make an "int *" pointer
to point to it and read the same data as a different type - that is what
makes it "weak".  It is very hard to do something similar in Python.

Of course, the terms are not really black and white, and you can
reasonably argue that "C with warnings enabled" has stronger typing
because it is hard to "cheat" on your types while avoiding warnings.


> 
>> This means that in effect, every function in Python is a bit like a 
>> template in C++.  And writing a new "max" function in Python is as 
>> simple as:
>>
>> def my_max(a, b) :
>> 	if (a > b) return a
>> 	return b
>>
>> When the implementation is so simple, there is very little reason /not/ 
>> to put it into the standard library - just as C++ has std::max with a 
>> very simple implementation as a template.
> 
> Python is required, within its own internal processing engine, to compare
> disparate types, such as a floating point value to another integer value,
> and return correct results, without any custom/fancy casting or other
> things required in C.
> 
> That's what I was referring to.  Python needs this type of built-in
> ability because it's weakly typed.  A and B come in and they can be
> anything.  The nuances of the comparison logic has to be able to
> handle comparing type x to type y generically, and with correct
> results in each case.

No, it is /strongly/ typed.  When Python needs to convert an operand (or
both operands) in order to carry out an operation like "a > b", it uses
well-defined conversion functions.  These exist for built-in types - if
you are using your own types, you need to define these functions or you
will get a run-time error.  C is weakly typed, because it will happily
(well, maybe unhappily, with a warning) do what you ask here in many
cases, even if it makes no sense.

> 
> Visual FreePro has to do this as well and it was complex to write all
> of the code which does this as there are many possible comparisons.
> 
>> C, on the other hand, has /no/ possible implementation of a max function 
>> or macro that works on all numeric types until C11 _Generic - and even 
>> then, the implementation is more than a little ugly.
>>
>>> Another thought this morning.  Python moves by people needs.  C
>>> moves by committee choices.  If something is not deemed desirable
>>> by the committee, it will never officially be added.  But, I think
>>> that era of fixedness in those maintaining the C Standard will have to
>>> change, lest it be ignored as people move on past it.
>>
>> C moves by people needs as well, just a lot more slowly - it needs a lot 
>> of people, and a very clear need, to make changes happen.  "max" is not 
>> needed that much.
> 
> Python is an open project.  If I desire to have x, y, or z added I can
> do it, it goes into the main line, and is then available to all.  

No, you can't.  Python is an open source project - you can download the
source, make all the changes you want, and use it yourself.  You can
publish the modified version as you want.  But it will only get back to
the mainline if it is approved by the project maintainers, which
involves going through a formal process of "Python Enhancement
Proposals" to give the main Python developers and the Python community a
chance to consider the change and its implications.  The change must
meet the approval of Python's Benevolent Dictator For Life, Guido van
Rossum, before it has a chance to become part of the official mainline
Python.

Still, you have a far better chance of getting a change into Python than
getting a change into C :-)

> I
> can't do that with C.  I can do that with GCC or CLANG or some instance
> of a C compiler, but not C, not to the standard.
> 
> I would argue it doesn't move by people needs, but by committee needs.
> Otherwise a lot would've been introduced that, because it wasn't,
> spawned off many other languages.
> 
> It's why I've more or less ditched C and am proceeding with CAlive.  I
> will provide support through C99 eventually however.  And other people
> are free to add additional newer support.
> 
> Best regards,
> Rick C. Hodgin
> 

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                Re: absence of max cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2016-12-10 04:44 +0000
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                Re: absence of max supercat@casperkitty.com - 2016-12-07 16:24 -0800
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                Re: absence of max Robert Spanjaard <spamtrap@arumes.com> - 2016-12-17 14:45 +0100
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                Re: absence of max Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2016-12-17 11:27 -0800
                People who confuse and jumble up the difference between past, present, and future (Was: absence of max) gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2016-12-17 20:07 +0000
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                Re: absence of max cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2016-12-10 04:37 +0000
                Re: absence of max Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-12-10 00:13 -0500
                Re: absence of max Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2016-12-08 22:22 +0000
                Re: absence of max Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-12-08 22:19 -0500
                Re: absence of max jameskuyper@verizon.net - 2016-12-07 19:40 -0800
                Re: absence of max Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-12-08 09:38 -0500
                Re: absence of max supercat@casperkitty.com - 2016-12-08 07:52 -0800
                Re: absence of max Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2016-12-08 19:37 +0000
                Re: absence of max supercat@casperkitty.com - 2016-12-08 14:46 -0800
                Re: absence of max Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2016-12-08 15:46 -0800
                Re: absence of max Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2016-12-13 13:04 -0800
                Re: absence of max supercat@casperkitty.com - 2016-12-13 13:38 -0800
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                Re: absence of max supercat@casperkitty.com - 2016-12-14 08:17 -0800
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                Re: absence of max supercat@casperkitty.com - 2016-12-14 16:53 -0800
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                Re: absence of max supercat@casperkitty.com - 2016-12-15 08:54 -0800
                Re: absence of max raltbos@xs4all.nl (Richard Bos) - 2016-12-15 19:55 +0000
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