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Re: absence of max

From BartC <bc@freeuk.com>
Newsgroups comp.lang.c
Subject Re: absence of max
Date 2016-11-28 13:16 +0000
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On 28/11/2016 11:46, David Brown wrote:
> On 27/11/16 23:55, BartC wrote:

>> Wasn't one of your points there such a feature would rarely be used? Yet
>> the the first two applications I look at both rely on them.
>
> All you have shown is that two rather large code bases both define MAX
> and MIN macros.  That is still perfectly consistent with being rarely
> used.  Now, if you count the number of /uses/ of these macros and show
> it to be a reasonable fraction of the number of lines of code in the
> source, then you can say it is commonly used in at least these two code
> bases.

It shows people often have to end up inventing these macros. And the 
fact that they are pretty much the same macros suggests it is quite a 
common need.

The use of generics to do that doesn't really change things, as the 
definitions for min/max still have to be added, and that is now a lot 
more complicated (and makes the code, for now, less portable). Although 
the resulting implementations will be better.

(Note the lccwin compiler appears to include min/max macros as standard, 
but because it is just one compiler makes it less useful. Also dangerous 
as, as the names are lower case, people might think they are functions.)

>> Anyway these are all inferior because MAX(a[++i],b[++j]) might not do
>> what you'd expect; they are not a general solution.
>
> They are what you get in C, so they are what people use.  And they are
> simple and easy to make.
>
> The question is, would a "safer" built-in version be worth the effort?
> it would not more more efficient, and it would not safe noticeably on
> developer effort (since the macro here is so easy to write).  It would
> not help for anything that can use gcc (or clang) extensions, as "safe"
> macros can be written or copied directly from the gcc manual.
>
> So the only problem with today's "max" solutions is when you call them
> with arguments that have side-effects.

So you say sloppy coding is good? Great, that means a lot less work for 
my own code generation efforts! The question of side effects comes up, 
apart from min/max, in the implementation of constructs like these, when 
x and y are arbitrary expressions:

   x += y;
   x==y==z;       # [not C] when interpreted as (x==y) && (y==z)
   swap(x,y);     # [not C]

and such, where the simplest implementation involves re-evaluating one 
or more operands. (Some code-generation techniques will take care of 
such issues; but the one I use doesn't!)

>> You're looking at language-building features as a solution. I don't
>> agree. At the minute we are expected to use macros so that we end up
>> with thousands of variations of half-assed macros, all with slightly
>> different names, to do stuff like:
>>
>>  FOR(i, a, b) {...}
>>  REPEAT(N) {...}
>>  ARRAY_LEN(a)
>>  MAX(a,b)
>>  CLAMP(x,y,z)
>>  BINARY(101101)
>>  DECIMAL_WITH_COMMAS(1,048,576)
>>
>
> And how is this in any way different from any other programming
> language?  No language is "complete" with standard library functions
> covering /everything/.

Many of those are fundamental (well not clamp and probably not min/max). 
That is, simple iterative loops, repeating a block N times, getting the 
number of elements in an array, writing binary literals or literals with 
separators, and so on.

You don't want everyone either reinventing the same workaround with 
macros, or not doing so and writing things out in full, or writing 
binary as hex, or long numbers without separators.

> C happens to have a relatively small standard
> library

It's not a library thing. If the language has to, it can implement some 
of these with macros (as it does many things), then it's only an extra 
few lines in one of the standard headers. But they will then be standard 
at least.

>> I think the C11 changes will have the same problems as macros.

> Have you actually /looked/ at _Generic, or are you just guessing?  Here
> is a generic "max" macro.  It is ugly and verbose, especially compared
> to something like C++ templates, but it does the job.  It gets the types
> right, while avoiding double evaluation of side effects.

> static inline int _maxi(int const x, int const y) {
>     return y > x ? y : x;
> }
.......

> #define max(x, y) (_Generic((x) + (y),   \

(I was thinking (x)>(y) would be better here, as that is used within the 
functions. And it would work for pointers too. But then, that will 
always return type int ...)

>     int:                _maxi,             \
>     unsigned:           _maxu,            \
>     long:               _maxl,            \
>     unsigned long:      _maxul,           \
>     long long:          _maxll,           \
>     unsigned long long: _maxull,          \
>     float:              _maxf,            \
>     double:             _maxd,            \
>     long double:        _maxld)((x), (y)))

That's quite neat. (I may borrow this feature actually...)

But it's also pretty much what I do in my code-generation: a family of 
min/max function variations, but the selection is done within the 
translator (unless the expression can be handled in-line).

With these C versions, the onus is on the programmer to write all this, 
and provide it with the distribution of the source code. And if code is 
subsequently shared, then A's implementation of min/max may end up 
clashing with B'S similar implementation.

However I can't, at the minute, post a code snippet using min/max and 
expect anyone else to be able to compile it.

Otherwise it seems a fine feature to use for building a library.

-- 
Bartc

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                Re: absence of max cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2016-12-10 04:44 +0000
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                Re: absence of max Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2016-12-17 11:27 -0800
                People who confuse and jumble up the difference between past, present, and future (Was: absence of max) gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2016-12-17 20:07 +0000
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                Re: absence of max supercat@casperkitty.com - 2016-12-08 07:52 -0800
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                Re: absence of max supercat@casperkitty.com - 2016-12-13 13:38 -0800
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                Re: absence of max supercat@casperkitty.com - 2016-12-14 08:17 -0800
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                Re: absence of max supercat@casperkitty.com - 2016-12-14 16:53 -0800
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                Re: absence of max supercat@casperkitty.com - 2016-12-15 08:54 -0800
                Re: absence of max raltbos@xs4all.nl (Richard Bos) - 2016-12-15 19:55 +0000
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                Re: absence of max supercat@casperkitty.com - 2016-12-15 14:20 -0800
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                Re: absence of max Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2016-12-16 08:21 +0000
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                Re: absence of max raltbos@xs4all.nl (Richard Bos) - 2016-12-20 09:03 +0000
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                Re: absence of max David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2016-12-14 19:05 +0100
                Re: absence of max Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2016-12-14 22:46 -0800
                Re: absence of max supercat@casperkitty.com - 2016-12-08 15:58 -0800
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