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Re: Extract Free Elections From Earth

From	rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com>
Newsgroups	sci.electronics.design
Subject	Re: Extract Free Elections From Earth
Date	2016-11-13 10:25 -0500
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On 11/13/2016 7:30 AM, Rob wrote:
> Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> wrote:
>> On 2016-11-11, jurb6006@gmail.com <jurb6006@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> In fact anything you burn for fuel is actually gas. The energy comes
>>> out in the for of gas, even from coal.
>>
>> Bullshit (not everything). Eg.  carbon evaporates at 3900K and charcoal burns
>> a lot cooler than that.
>
> When coal is heated it releases a mixture of gases that burn.  Not evaporated
> carbon, but H2, CH4, CO etc.

Coal does not burn like wood or other fossil fuels.  It has a much lower 
hydrogen content as the carbon is mostly in fused aromatic rings... 
meaning a *lot* more carbon than hydrogen.  So while heating coal to the 
combustion point will produce some gasses, mostly coal will burn the 
carbon.

Wood burns by breaking down the largely hydrogen, oxygen and carbon 
contained in the typical biologically created compounds into simpler 
molecules which form volatile gasses.  These gasses then burn making the 
pretty flames.  Once those compounds have all been burned what remains 
is "charcoal" which is not entirely unlike coal (hence the name) and 
burns without giving off further flammable gasses.

These coals burn at higher temperatures than the gasses giving off a lot 
of radiant heat rather than producing hot gasses which exit the chimney 
without producing so much heat in the room.  Starting with coal bypasses 
the gas generating stage and produces radiant heat from the start.

-- 

Rick C

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Extract Free Elections From Earth Kevin Foster <kfoster@internode.com> - 2016-10-01 17:46 +1000
  Re: Extract Free Elections From Earth Adrian Caspersz <email@here.invalid> - 2016-10-01 11:08 +0100
  Re: Extract Free Elections From Earth Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-10-01 20:36 +1000
  Re: Extract Free Elections From Earth Rob <nomail@example.com> - 2016-10-01 11:42 +0000
  Re: Extract Free Elections From Earth jurb6006@gmail.com - 2016-10-01 08:41 -0700
  Re: Extract Free Elections From Earth "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> - 2016-11-02 10:35 -0400
    Re: Extract Free Elections From Earth Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> - 2016-11-02 10:42 -0400
      Re: Extract Free Elections From Earth mrdarrett@gmail.com - 2016-11-03 09:21 -0700
        Re: Extract Free Elections From Earth Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> - 2016-11-03 12:25 -0400
          Re: Extract Free Elections From Earth mrdarrett@gmail.com - 2016-11-03 10:07 -0700
    Re: Extract Free Elections From Earth John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2016-11-02 08:15 -0700
    Re: Extract Free Elections From Earth mrdarrett@gmail.com - 2016-11-02 13:45 -0700
      Re: Extract Free Elections From Earth John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2016-11-02 14:43 -0700
        Re: Extract Free Elections From Earth George Herold <gherold@teachspin.com> - 2016-11-02 17:48 -0700
          Re: Extract Free Elections From Earth John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2016-11-02 19:28 -0700
            Re: Extract Free Elections From Earth M Philbrook <jamie_ka1lpa@charter.net> - 2016-11-02 23:04 -0500
            Re: Extract Free Elections From Earth "tom" <tmiller11147@verizon.net> - 2016-11-02 23:34 -0400
              Re: Extract Free Elections From Earth John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2016-11-02 21:19 -0700
                Re: Extract Free Elections From Earth "tom" <tmiller11147@verizon.net> - 2016-11-03 00:35 -0400
                Re: Extract Free Elections From Earth rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2016-11-03 01:44 -0400
                Re: Extract Free Elections From Earth Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> - 2016-11-03 12:12 -0400
                Re: Extract Free Elections From Earth mrdarrett@gmail.com - 2016-11-03 09:16 -0700
                Re: Extract Free Elections From Earth "tom" <tmiller11147@verizon.net> - 2016-11-03 14:26 -0400
                Re: Extract Free Elections From Earth Spehro Pefhany <speffSNIP@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> - 2016-11-03 21:25 -0400
                Re: Extract Free Elections From Earth krw <krw@nowhere.com> - 2016-11-03 21:39 -0400
                Re: Extract Free Elections From Earth John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2016-11-03 19:53 -0700
                Re: Extract Free Elections From Earth Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2016-11-04 09:40 +0000
                Re: Extract Free Elections From Earth tabbypurr@gmail.com - 2016-11-04 17:46 -0700
                Re: Extract Free Elections From Earth jurb6006@gmail.com - 2016-11-08 11:42 -0800
                Re: Extract Free Elections From Earth rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2016-11-10 19:39 -0500
                Re: Extract Free Elections From Earth jurb6006@gmail.com - 2016-11-10 16:54 -0800
                Re: Extract Free Elections From Earth krw <krw@somewhere.com> - 2016-11-10 20:34 -0500
                Re: Extract Free Elections From Earth mrdarrett@gmail.com - 2016-11-08 10:37 -0800
                Re: Extract Free Elections From Earth jurb6006@gmail.com - 2016-11-08 11:49 -0800
                Re: Extract Free Elections From Earth mrdarrett@gmail.com - 2016-11-08 13:28 -0800
                Re: Extract Free Elections From Earth rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2016-11-10 19:40 -0500
                Re: Extract Free Elections From Earth jurb6006@gmail.com - 2016-11-10 17:02 -0800
                Re: Extract Free Elections From Earth Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> - 2016-11-11 11:48 +0000
                Re: Extract Free Elections From Earth bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2016-11-11 05:12 -0800
                Re: Extract Free Elections From Earth Rob <nomail@example.com> - 2016-11-13 12:30 +0000
                Re: Extract Free Elections From Earth bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2016-11-13 06:42 -0800
                Re: Extract Free Elections From Earth Rob <nomail@example.com> - 2016-11-13 15:03 +0000
                Re: Extract Free Elections From Earth Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> - 2016-11-13 09:14 -0800
                Re: Extract Free Elections From Earth rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2016-11-13 10:25 -0500
                Re: Extract Free Elections From Earth rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2016-11-10 19:36 -0500
              Re: Extract Free Elections From Earth Chris <c@b.a> - 2016-11-03 16:48 +1100
                Re: Extract Free Elections From Earth John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2016-11-03 08:48 -0700
                Re: Extract Free Elections From Earth "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> - 2016-11-09 18:15 -0500
                Re: Extract Free Elections From Earth Rob <nomail@example.com> - 2016-11-10 10:04 +0000
                Re: Extract Free Elections From Earth "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> - 2016-11-12 08:24 -0500
                Re: Extract Free Elections From Earth tabbypurr@gmail.com - 2016-11-13 03:37 -0800
                Re: Extract Free Elections From Earth "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> - 2016-11-18 18:11 -0500
                Re: Extract Free Elections From Earth tabbypurr@gmail.com - 2016-11-19 12:10 -0800
                Re: Extract Free Elections From Earth "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> - 2016-11-20 09:35 -0500
                Re: Extract Free Elections From Earth bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2016-11-20 23:06 -0800
                Re: Extract Free Elections From Earth krw <krw@somewhere.com> - 2016-11-10 20:36 -0500
                Re: Extract Free Elections From Earth "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> - 2016-11-12 08:25 -0500
                Re: Extract Free Elections From Earth krw <krw@somewhere.com> - 2016-11-12 09:37 -0500
                Re: Extract Free Elections From Earth bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2016-11-13 06:54 -0800
            Re: Extract Free Elections From Earth jurb6006@gmail.com - 2016-11-02 23:53 -0700
            Re: Extract Free Elections From Earth Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2016-11-03 08:13 +0000
    Re: Extract Free Elections From Earth jurb6006@gmail.com - 2016-11-02 15:54 -0700
      Re: Extract Free Elections From Earth mrdarrett@gmail.com - 2016-11-03 10:10 -0700

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