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Re: Michelson used wrong logic

From Edgar König <edgko@edgarkoenig.info>
Newsgroups sci.physics.relativity, sci.physics
Subject Re: Michelson used wrong logic
Date 2016-10-23 12:02 +0000
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W dniu poniedziałek, Sat, 22 Oct 2016 17:24:32 -0500 użytkownik Tom
Roberts napisał:

> which Poincaré pointed out. Lorentz also pulled his "derivation" out of
> thin air, without any justification except that it worked for what he
> was trying to do (show that the Maxwell's equations applied not only in

Same as relatvity and Einstein. I mean, his wife. She came up with a theroy 
about something completely else. The Public made Relativity to what it is 
today. Nevertheless, still misunderstood by large extent.

Happingly, it shows up that Relativity is nothing but a special case of 
Divergent Matter theory. Or a subset of it, if you wish.

> the aether frame, but also in a moving frame, such as one occupied by a
> lab on earth). It was some combination of Einstein and Poincaré who
> turned this into invariance,
> and Einstein took that and made it an important foundation of modern
> physics (all current fundamental theories of physics are based on
> various types of invariance, of which Lorentz invariance is the most
> fundamental [#]).

No, that's the most fundamental is the Divergent Matter. All that extends 
from it.

> 	[#] The essence of SR is that all physics is Lorentz invariant.
> 	This is modified in GR to be LOCALLY Lorentz invariant.

You too misunderstood the whole thing. GR is nothing but a Special Case of 
SR, whereas is still the motion doing the Relativistic Effects. But here 
in GR, the motion is embedded "stationary" against the "spacetime" 
curvature. And not because the "curvature" alone. There is no curvature. 
Which of course, the whole thing is PURE Divergent Matter-ish.

I am disappointed, you never reach farther than Relativity, as I do.

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Michelson used wrong logic Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-10-05 12:11 -0700
  Re: Michelson used wrong logic "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2016-10-05 13:59 -0700
    Re: Michelson used wrong logic donstockbauer@hotmail.com - 2016-10-05 14:12 -0700
      Re: Michelson used wrong logic Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-10-05 16:58 -0700
        Re: Michelson used wrong logic Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-10-06 07:07 -0700
          Re: Michelson used wrong logic Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-10-06 18:28 -0700
            Cretin Peter Riedt perseveres "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2016-10-06 21:07 -0700
            Re: Michelson used wrong logic Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-10-07 07:33 -0500
              Re: Michelson used wrong logic Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-10-07 06:12 -0700
                Re: Michelson used wrong logic Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-10-07 21:56 -0700
                Re: Michelson used wrong logic Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-10-08 14:56 -0700
                Re: Michelson used wrong logic Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-10-08 16:37 -0700
                Re: Michelson used wrong logic Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-10-09 04:18 -0700
                Re: Michelson used wrong logic Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-10-09 18:32 -0700
                Re: Michelson used wrong logic pnalsing@gmail.com - 2016-10-09 19:33 -0700
                Re: Michelson used wrong logic Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-10-09 23:53 -0700
                Re: Michelson used wrong logic pnalsing@gmail.com - 2016-10-10 20:17 -0700
                Re: Michelson used wrong logic Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-10-10 22:00 -0700
                Re: Michelson used wrong logic Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-10-10 04:32 -0700
                Re: Michelson used wrong logic mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-10-10 05:25 -0700
                Re: Michelson used wrong logic Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-10-10 07:14 -0700
                Re: Michelson used wrong logic Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-10-10 18:51 -0700
                Re: Michelson used wrong logic Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2016-10-11 03:55 +0200
                Re: Michelson used wrong logic "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2016-10-10 21:37 -0700
                Re: Michelson used wrong logic Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-10-11 05:07 -0700
                Re: Michelson used wrong logic mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-10-11 05:18 -0700
                Re: Michelson used wrong logic paparios <paparios@gmail.com> - 2016-10-11 05:56 -0700
                Re: Michelson used wrong logic Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-10-17 13:56 -0500
                Re: Michelson used wrong logic Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-10-17 17:48 -0700
                Re: Michelson used wrong logic Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-10-18 10:13 -0500
                Re: Michelson used wrong logic mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-10-18 23:41 -0700
                Re: Michelson used wrong logic Eric Baird <erkdemon@gmail.com> - 2016-11-14 09:38 -0800
                Re: Michelson used wrong logic "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2016-11-14 10:14 -0800
                Re: Michelson used wrong logic mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-10-17 23:15 -0700
                Re: Michelson used wrong logic Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-10-18 02:03 -0700
                Re: Michelson used wrong logic mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-10-18 02:36 -0700
                Re: Michelson used wrong logic Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-10-18 12:09 +0200
                Re: Michelson used wrong logic mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-10-18 03:30 -0700
                Re: Michelson used wrong logic Jim Barthel <jimbart@portlanportal.info> - 2016-10-18 16:33 +0000
                Re: Michelson used wrong logic Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-10-18 10:33 -0500
                Re: Michelson used wrong logic Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-10-18 21:09 -0700
                Re: Michelson used wrong logic Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-10-19 11:23 +0200
                Re: Michelson used wrong logic mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-10-19 02:48 -0700
                Re: Michelson used wrong logic Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-10-19 07:42 -0500
                Re: Michelson used wrong logic mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-10-19 06:05 -0700
                Re: Michelson used wrong logic Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-10-19 19:36 -0700
                Re: Michelson used wrong logic "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2016-10-19 19:42 -0700
                Re: Michelson used wrong logic Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-10-19 23:24 -0700
                Re: Michelson used wrong logic "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2016-10-20 02:13 -0700
                Re: Michelson used wrong logic Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-10-20 07:15 -0500
                Re: Michelson used wrong logic mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-10-20 05:44 -0700
                Re: Michelson used wrong logic Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-10-20 07:13 -0500
                Re: Michelson used wrong logic Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-10-20 17:45 -0700
                Re: Michelson used wrong logic "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2016-10-20 19:36 -0700
                Re: Michelson used wrong logic Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-10-20 21:02 -0700
                Re: Michelson used wrong logic "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2016-10-20 21:54 -0700
                Re: Michelson used wrong logic Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-10-21 09:08 -0500
                Re: Michelson used wrong logic Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-10-21 17:55 -0700
                Re: Michelson used wrong logic "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2016-10-21 18:08 -0700
                Re: Michelson used wrong logic Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-10-21 20:26 -0700
                Re: Michelson used wrong logic Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-10-21 21:23 -0700
                Re: Michelson used wrong logic Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-10-22 04:55 -0700
                Re: Michelson used wrong logic Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-10-22 05:43 -0700
                Re: Michelson used wrong logic Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-10-22 06:34 -0700
                Re: Michelson used wrong logic Dwain Foster <dwainbwe@tyrellysite.org> - 2016-10-22 13:41 +0000
                Re: Michelson used wrong logic "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2016-10-22 07:19 -0700
                Re: Michelson used wrong logic Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-10-22 07:59 -0700
                Re: Michelson used wrong logic Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-10-22 08:41 -0700
                Re: Michelson used wrong logic Dwain Foster <dwainbwe@tyrellysite.org> - 2016-10-22 16:39 +0000
                Re: Michelson used wrong logic Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-10-22 11:12 -0700
                Re: Michelson used wrong logic Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-10-22 17:24 -0500
                Re: Michelson used wrong logic Edgar König <edgko@edgarkoenig.info> - 2016-10-23 12:02 +0000
                Re: Michelson used wrong logic Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-10-23 14:46 +0200
                Re: Michelson used wrong logic Edgar König <edgko@edgarkoenig.info> - 2016-10-23 12:54 +0000
                Re: Michelson used wrong logic Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-10-23 15:01 +0200
                Re: Michelson used wrong logic moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-10-24 02:31 +0000
                Re: Michelson used wrong logic Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-10-22 07:35 -0700
                Re: Michelson used wrong logic "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2016-10-22 07:48 -0700
                Re: Michelson used wrong logic Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-10-22 07:49 -0700
                Re: Michelson used wrong logic "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2016-10-22 07:56 -0700
                Re: Michelson used wrong logic Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-10-22 08:42 -0700
                Re: Michelson used wrong logic "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2016-10-22 08:47 -0700
                Re: Michelson used wrong logic Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-10-22 12:12 -0700
                Re: Michelson used wrong logic "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2016-10-22 12:29 -0700
                Re: Michelson used wrong logic Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-10-22 11:30 -0700
                Re: Michelson used wrong logic Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-10-22 12:23 -0700
                Re: Michelson used wrong logic Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-10-22 13:19 -0700
                Re: Michelson used wrong logic Edgar König <edgko@edgarkoenig.info> - 2016-10-22 20:36 +0000
                Re: Michelson used wrong logic Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-10-22 14:32 -0700
                Re: Michelson used wrong logic Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-10-22 15:28 -0700
                Re: Michelson used wrong logic Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-10-22 16:03 -0700
                Re: Michelson used wrong logic Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-10-22 19:52 -0500
                Re: Michelson used wrong logic Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-10-22 20:28 -0700
                Re: Michelson used wrong logic Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-10-22 20:39 -0700
                Re: Michelson used wrong logic Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-10-22 15:39 +0200
                Re: Michelson used wrong logic "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2016-10-22 07:16 -0700
                Re: Michelson used wrong logic Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-10-22 07:26 -0700
                Re: Michelson used wrong logic "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2016-10-22 07:43 -0700
                Re: Michelson used wrong logic Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-10-22 07:50 -0700
                Re: Michelson used wrong logic "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2016-10-22 07:58 -0700
                Re: Michelson used wrong logic Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-10-23 17:44 -0500
                Re: Michelson used wrong logic "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2016-10-23 15:56 -0700
                Re: Michelson used wrong logic Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-10-23 19:48 -0700
                Re: Michelson used wrong logic "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2016-10-23 20:15 -0700
                Re: Michelson used wrong logic Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-10-23 20:49 -0700
                Re: Michelson used wrong logic "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2016-10-23 21:12 -0700
                Re: Michelson used wrong logic Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-10-24 03:50 -0700
                Re: Michelson used wrong logic "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2016-10-24 07:01 -0700
                Re: Michelson used wrong logic Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-10-24 08:20 -0700
                Re: Michelson used wrong logic "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2016-10-24 08:46 -0700
                Re: Michelson used wrong logic Edgar König <edgko@edgarkoenig.info> - 2016-10-25 19:19 +0000
                Re: Michelson used wrong logic Dwain Foster <dwainbwe@tyrellysite.org> - 2016-10-22 15:06 +0000
                Re: Michelson used wrong logic Dwain Foster <dwainbwe@tyrellysite.org> - 2016-10-22 14:47 +0000
                Re: Michelson used wrong logic Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-10-24 11:30 -0500
                Re: Michelson used wrong logic "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2016-10-24 09:58 -0700
                Re: Michelson used wrong logic Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-10-24 10:22 -0700
                Re: Michelson used wrong logic "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2016-10-24 11:06 -0700
                Re: Michelson used wrong logic Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-10-24 11:22 -0700
                Re: Michelson used wrong logic "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2016-10-24 11:29 -0700
                Re: Michelson used wrong logic Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-10-24 22:10 -0700
                Re: Michelson used wrong logic "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2016-10-24 22:34 -0700
                Re: Michelson used wrong logic Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-10-24 14:19 -0500
                Re: Michelson used wrong logic Edgar König <edgko@edgarkoenig.info> - 2016-10-24 20:05 +0000
                Re: Michelson used wrong logic "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2016-10-24 13:12 -0700
                Re: Michelson used wrong logic Edgar König <edgko@edgarkoenig.info> - 2016-10-24 20:17 +0000
                Re: Michelson used wrong logic Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-10-24 20:37 -0700
                Re: Michelson used wrong logic "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2016-10-24 21:20 -0700
                Re: Michelson used wrong logic Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-10-22 08:33 -0500
                Re: Michelson used wrong logic "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2016-10-22 07:13 -0700
                Re: Michelson used wrong logic Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-10-22 08:57 -0500
                Re: Michelson used wrong logic Eric Baird <erkdemon@gmail.com> - 2016-11-14 11:33 -0800
                Re: Michelson used wrong logic mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-10-18 23:41 -0700
                Re: Michelson used wrong logic Eric Baird <erkdemon@gmail.com> - 2016-11-14 10:15 -0800
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