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Re: A GNU World in a Degenerate Universe

From Adlbifhr Mjduhgfks <am@random.us>
Newsgroups comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject Re: A GNU World in a Degenerate Universe
Date 2016-10-08 21:47 +0000
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On Sat, 08 Oct 2016 19:33:49 +0000, Se7en wrote:

> 
>  Do you really need  heavily formatted headers on things as simple
> as a business report?
> 

Well, formatting does play a role in facilitating a quick understanding
of the data.  Every time I view a bank statement, for example, most
of which are still produced using, it would seem, 1960's technology,
I wish that the damned thing had better formatting.

But better formatting does not imply exclusively Microjunk formatted
files.  There are PDF, HTML, RTF, and ODF, which are all open formats.

>
> Of course, knowing M$, they 
> probably are setting it up incorrectly and it'll render awfully. If they 
> do it would most likely be an attempt to discourage its use...
> 

Microjunk Office does issue a warning whenever a file is about to
be saved in a format other than MSOffice formats.  The warning states
that some layout structure MAY be lost, but in 99% of cases that 
warning just does not apply.  Microjunk is capable of some types of
formatting that can go beyond what is available in open formats, but
in the average case those special types are completely absent.

> 
> Harsh, but about 95% true. The thing is that they're normies who thanks 
> to Microsoft marketing ... they 
> don't really know anything else exists. 
>

That is a major problem.

Open file formats have been around for quite some time, but if one
does a survey of web portals, for example, that ask for document
submissions, the list of accepted document formats that is given 
never includes open document formats.  Never.  Why not?  The people
who design and build such web sites are supposed to be educated or
even certified, yet they universally seem to be ignorant of open
document formats. 


Exposing them to alt-OS and alt-
> Kernels and giving them a *true* computer history lesson (not the one 
> made by MS saying DOS was dominate then came Windows and everyone enjoyed 
> it), it will help them a lot.
> 
> I actually made a little guide for helping Normies. I haven't update it 
> in quite a while, but what it has so far is still good.
> 
> https://se7en.neocities.org/articles/normies.html
> 
> Still, I think saying they are uneducatable is more of a defeatist 
> attitude. If you tell one of the normies  that they'll give you responses 
> like ``You're a zelot'' or ``I don't like you, you fucking hipster'' or 
> things similar to that. Best to avoid that language with them.

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A GNU World in a Degenerate Universe Adlbifhr Mjduhgfks <am@random.us> - 2016-10-08 15:09 +0000
  Re: A GNU World in a Degenerate Universe Se7en <se7en@firemail.cc> - 2016-10-08 19:33 +0000
    Re: A GNU World in a Degenerate Universe Adlbifhr Mjduhgfks <am@random.us> - 2016-10-08 21:47 +0000
  Re: A GNU World in a Degenerate Universe DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-10-09 10:17 -0400
    Re: A GNU World in a Degenerate Universe Jim Polaski <jpolaski@linuxmail.org> - 2016-10-09 15:25 +0000
      Re: A GNU World in a Degenerate Universe Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-10-09 12:56 -0400
        Re: A GNU World in a Degenerate Universe Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2016-10-09 13:41 -0400
          Re: A GNU World in a Degenerate Universe Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-10-10 09:11 -0400
            Re: A GNU World in a Degenerate Universe Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2016-10-10 09:27 -0400
              Re: A GNU World in a Degenerate Universe Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-10-10 09:47 -0400
                Re: A GNU World in a Degenerate Universe Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2016-10-10 10:29 -0400
                Re: A GNU World in a Degenerate Universe Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-10-10 13:13 -0400
                Re: A GNU World in a Degenerate Universe Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2016-10-10 13:21 -0400
                Re: A GNU World in a Degenerate Universe Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-10-10 16:40 -0400
                Re: A GNU World in a Degenerate Universe Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2016-10-10 17:02 -0400
                Re: A GNU World in a Degenerate Universe Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-10-10 17:55 -0400
        Re: A GNU World in a Degenerate Universe Jim Polaski <jpolaski@linuxmail.org> - 2016-10-09 23:43 +0000
          Re: A GNU World in a Degenerate Universe Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-10-10 09:16 -0400
            Re: A GNU World in a Degenerate Universe Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2016-10-10 09:34 -0400
              Re: A GNU World in a Degenerate Universe chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-10 08:41 -0500
                Re: A GNU World in a Degenerate Universe GreyCloud <Cumulus@mist.com> - 2016-10-10 10:54 -0600
                Re: A GNU World in a Degenerate Universe Jim Polaski <jpolaski@linuxmail.org> - 2016-10-10 23:52 +0000
                Re: A GNU World in a Degenerate Universe GreyCloud <Cumulus@mist.com> - 2016-10-10 22:00 -0600
                Re: A GNU World in a Degenerate Universe Jim Polaski <jpolaski@linuxmail.org> - 2016-10-11 12:49 +0000
              Re: A GNU World in a Degenerate Universe Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-10-10 09:50 -0400
                Re: A GNU World in a Degenerate Universe Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2016-10-10 10:44 -0400
                Re: A GNU World in a Degenerate Universe Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-10-10 13:15 -0400
              Re: A GNU World in a Degenerate Universe Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2016-11-01 10:03 -0700
          Re: A GNU World in a Degenerate Universe fr314159@gmail.com - 2016-10-10 10:31 -0700
      Re: A GNU World in a Degenerate Universe Se7en <se7en@firemail.cc> - 2016-10-10 06:39 +0000
      Re: A GNU World in a Degenerate Universe DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-10-10 09:53 -0400
        Re: A GNU World in a Degenerate Universe Jim Polaski <jpolaski@linuxmail.org> - 2016-10-10 15:19 +0000
          Re: A GNU World in a Degenerate Universe DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-10-10 13:03 -0400
            Re: A GNU World in a Degenerate Universe Jim Polaski <jpolaski@linuxmail.org> - 2016-10-10 23:55 +0000
              Re: A GNU World in a Degenerate Universe Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-10-11 09:10 -0400
                Re: A GNU World in a Degenerate Universe Jim Polaski <jpolaski@linuxmail.org> - 2016-10-11 13:41 +0000
          Re: A GNU World in a Degenerate Universe Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-10-10 13:19 -0400
    Re: A GNU World in a Degenerate Universe Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-10-09 12:51 -0400
      Re: A GNU World in a Degenerate Universe Adlbifhr Mjduhgfks <am@random.us> - 2016-10-09 17:10 +0000
      Re: A GNU World in a Degenerate Universe Jim Polaski <jpolaski@linuxmail.org> - 2016-10-09 23:38 +0000
        Re: A GNU World in a Degenerate Universe Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-10-10 09:15 -0400
          Re: A GNU World in a Degenerate Universe Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2016-10-10 09:31 -0400
            Re: A GNU World in a Degenerate Universe Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2016-10-10 15:41 +0200
              Re: A GNU World in a Degenerate Universe Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2016-10-10 10:36 -0400
                Re: A GNU World in a Degenerate Universe Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2016-10-10 18:16 +0200
                Re: A GNU World in a Degenerate Universe Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2016-11-01 10:03 -0700
            Re: A GNU World in a Degenerate Universe DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-10-10 09:42 -0400
            Re: A GNU World in a Degenerate Universe Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-10-10 09:49 -0400
          Re: A GNU World in a Degenerate Universe fr314159@gmail.com - 2016-10-10 07:10 -0700
            Re: A GNU World in a Degenerate Universe chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-10 09:20 -0500
    Re: A GNU World in a Degenerate Universe Adlbifhr Mjduhgfks <am@random.us> - 2016-10-09 17:03 +0000
      Re: A GNU World in a Degenerate Universe DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-10-10 09:18 -0400
        Re: A GNU World in a Degenerate Universe Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-10-10 09:45 -0400
          Re: A GNU World in a Degenerate Universe fr314159@gmail.com - 2016-10-10 07:18 -0700
            Re: A GNU World in a Degenerate Universe chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-10 09:38 -0500
              Re: A GNU World in a Degenerate Universe Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2016-10-10 18:05 +0200
          Re: A GNU World in a Degenerate Universe Jim Polaski <jpolaski@linuxmail.org> - 2016-10-10 15:16 +0000
    Re: A GNU World in a Degenerate Universe Alexander Suvorov <axr.suvorov@yandex.ru> - 2016-10-10 14:08 +0300

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