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Re: Today's Presidential Debate.

From GreyCloud <Cumulus@mist.com>
Newsgroups comp.os.linux.advocacy, sci.physics
Subject Re: Today's Presidential Debate.
Date 2016-09-28 09:16 -0600
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On 09/28/2016 07:42 AM, Peter Köhlmann wrote:
> chrisv wrote:
>
>> Peter Köhlmann wrote:
>>
>>> His "interests" are bullshit, he has to respect other countries borders.
>>> Why do you think are the eastern europe states so keen to be part of NATO?
>>
>> I must say, though, that the talk of Ukraine becoming part of NATO
>> went too far.  I can understand the Russians thinking "Really?  I
>> don't think so."
>>
>
> It is simply not up to them. It is *not* their decision. It is a foreign
> country, and they have no say in that countries memberships to treaties. And
> no, it wasn't about becoming a NATO member. Ukraine wanted that in the long
> run, but NATO had already made clear that for the next future this will not
> be done.
> Ukraine wanted to get into the EU, away from the russian market. And that
> was already too much for that dictator Putin
>
> Besides, giving promises of security of the ukrainian borders in exchange
> for the nuclear weapons, only to break all those promises is showing that
> Putin can't be trusted at all.
>

http://www.globalresearch.ca/washington-was-behind-ukraine-coup-detat-in-response-to-russias-stance-on-syria-stratfor/5421026

The United States plotted the coup which took place in Ukraine in 
February 2014 in response to Russia’s policy in Syria, says George 
Friedman, the founder and CEO of Stratfor, known as “Shadow CIA”.

The United States is behind the February coup in Kiev, which came in 
response to Russia’s stance on Syria, said George Friedman, the founder 
and CEO of Stratfor, a global intelligence company.

Russia has repeatedly said that the coup in Kiev was organized by the 
US, Friedman told Kommersant newspaper. Indeed, it was the most overt 
coup in history, the political analyst stressed.

The United States decided to act following Russia’s successes in the 
Middle East, a key region for the US. Americans saw that Russians could 
influence what was happening in the Middle East, Friedman said. Russians 
are one of the many challenges in the region that the US faces, he 
stated. The US thought Russia’s activities were an attempt to harm 
Washington, the political analyst told the newspaper, adding that events 
in Ukraine should be viewed in this context.

Russians seem to have underestimated how seriously the US would react to 
Moscow’s activities in the region and that they would easily respond, 
Friedman said. The US understood that the thing Russia wants the least 
is instability in Ukraine, he added.

Meeting of Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov and his Mauritanian 
counterpart Ahmed Ould Teguedi
The head of Stratfor, also known as “The Shadow CIA,” insisted that 
Russia’s involvement in Syria was not the only reason for the Ukrainian 
crisis. However, many in Washington started to perceive Russia as a 
problem, the expert told the newspaper, adding that at that time the US 
decided to divert Russia’s attention away from the Middle East.

Syria has been in a civil war since March 2011. Over 100,000 people have 
died as a result of the armed conflict. Russia repeatedly stated that 
the election of Syria’s president Bashar Assad was legitimate, and that 
the people of Syria should control their future. From the beginning of 
the war the US supported the opposition and stated that the conflict 
would not be over with Assad in power.

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Re: Today's Presidential Debate. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2016-09-26 22:09 -0700
  Re: Today's Presidential Debate. "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2016-09-27 09:01 -0700
    Re: Today's Presidential Debate. chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2016-09-27 12:08 -0500
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            Re: Today's Presidential Debate. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2016-09-27 14:13 -0700
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                Re: Today's Presidential Debate. Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2016-09-28 01:16 +0200
                Re: Today's Presidential Debate. GreyCloud <Cumulus@mist.com> - 2016-09-27 18:28 -0600
                Re: Today's Presidential Debate. Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2016-09-28 09:49 +0200
                Re: Today's Presidential Debate. chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2016-09-28 08:04 -0500
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                Re: Today's Presidential Debate. GreyCloud <Cumulus@mist.com> - 2016-09-28 09:16 -0600
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                Re: Today's Presidential Debate. GreyCloud <Cumulus@mist.com> - 2016-09-28 09:22 -0600
                Re: Today's Presidential Debate. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2016-09-28 08:52 -0700
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